Mesaba

[flyboyike]

Secondly in regards to your training department, man.... cry me a river bro. Seriously do you think your training department is the only one with serious issues. If I had a nickle for everytime I heard someone complain about their training department and airline I would be rich.

FWIW, while there are plenty of problems where I work, the training dept is most definitely not one of them.

 

[Flybet3]

FWIW, while there are plenty of problems where I work, the training dept is most definitely not one of them.

Good for you. Like I said, wether it's the training department or lame management, or the fact that they have to drive to work! People will always come on here and bi*** and moan about their job!
Kind of annoying really. I just talked to a good friend of mine that is working TWO full time jobs to make ends meet, and pretty much only getting 1 day or so off a week. Times like these is where I'm thankful that eventhough my job can sometimes be stressful i still get 11 hard days off on reserve, not to mention the other 10 days I dont get a call while on reserve and atleast be doing what I love. Not having to wash cars, or stock shelves. Some of us have forgotten how hard it can really be.

 

[On Your Six]

Flybet3,

Good job on getting the PIC job at Mesaba. When you get to MEM, you need to hit a rib joint called Rendezvous near downtown. Awesome dry-rub ribs. I'd say they are some of the best ribs I have ever had. Have fun.

 

[xjhawk]

flybet, okay here is the deal, on my first day of SIM, my sim parnter pulls out his POM and starts going item by item on the acceptance check....the long version. He admitted to not bringing home his poster for studying the flows. Which showed since he did not know where anything was in the SIM. Okay and here is lesson 8.....he still did not know his profiles or his flows......then on our check ride, he could not pull it together enough to run a final flow for me. Did I mention he tried to turn me of course when I was briefing the approach...taking me out off the published approach! I caughed it...I passed and got a really nice quiet congrats from the check airman.....good job, your sim partner really made you work hard for it though...I guess that is how flying the line willbe!


Here is for you insulting me.....if you are at mesaba....you watch that arrogant mouth when you are in the crew room, we have no tolerance for arrogant new FO's......its the old FO's who will not stand for it oh, and i do not take lightly to your comments, guess what I will remember your flight info FLYBET3....used to live in st peter.....I will have some army stickers on my flight case....come talk to me.....I will set you straight on how to act like a mesaba pilot.....how cool our pilot group is.....how great our instructors are, how professional our check airmen are.......but I will say, when I was an FO, not knowing flows and profiles is unacceptable for an FO.........good day

 

[xjhawk]

fly bet is a new hire captain? oh great.......I will put money on a failure.......at least the guy will not be in my flight deck............

 

[xjhawk]

oh by the way.....me doing this is not barking.....is giving some who are clueless some info........because teh new hire that i was paired with did not listen to me, nor the instructor when told to study........is all my posting was saying....oh, and I do not give a crap about you not liking me talk about my sim partner, no names are given, .........but be assured.......your sim partner does talk about you if you do not do a good job. how did you pass the captain interview? oh yes, a heartbeat and ATP mins......how our standards have changed.....

 

[wmuflyguy]

flybet, okay here is the deal, on my first day of SIM, my sim parnter pulls out his POM and starts going item by item on the acceptance check....the long version. He admitted to not bringing home his poster for studying the flows. Which showed since he did not know where anything was in the SIM. Okay and here is lesson 8.....he still did not know his profiles or his flows......then on our check ride, he could not pull it together enough to run a final flow for me. Did I mention he tried to turn me of course when I was briefing the approach...taking me out off the published approach! I caughed it...I passed and got a really nice quiet congrats from the check airman.....good job, your sim partner really made you work hard for it though...I guess that is how flying the line willbe!

That sounds like a crappy situation, I had a simpartner like that for initial at CMR. There really is no excuse to not know your flows, profiles, and memory items...it really isn't that hard.

Did your sim partner make it?

 

[piav8r]

When do the street captain's start at Mesaba or have they already? I'll be starting as a new hire on teh 5th of November, and already have the pre-study materials.

How do they pair up the new hires with Captains? Do they pair up the new hires with the upgrades first and then work their way down the line so eventually a street captain is paired with a new hire FO?

Just curious, never been in that position before where both the FO and CA were new hires... Could make for interesting times in the sim!

 

[Flybet3]

flybet, okay here is the deal, on my first day of SIM, my sim parnter pulls out his POM and starts going item by item on the acceptance check....the long version. He admitted to not bringing home his poster for studying the flows. Which showed since he did not know where anything was in the SIM. Okay and here is lesson 8.....he still did not know his profiles or his flows......then on our check ride, he could not pull it together enough to run a final flow for me. Did I mention he tried to turn me of course when I was briefing the approach...taking me out off the published approach! I caughed it...I passed and got a really nice quiet congrats from the check airman.....good job, your sim partner really made you work hard for it though...I guess that is how flying the line willbe!


Here is for you insulting me.....if you are at mesaba....you watch that arrogant mouth when you are in the crew room, we have no tolerance for arrogant new FO's......its the old FO's who will not stand for it oh, and i do not take lightly to your comments, guess what I will remember your flight info FLYBET3....used to live in st peter.....I will have some army stickers on my flight case....come talk to me.....I will set you straight on how to act like a mesaba pilot.....how cool our pilot group is.....how great our instructors are, how professional our check airmen are.......but I will say, when I was an FO, not knowing flows and profiles is unacceptable for an FO.........good day

Ok first and above all I'm wasnt being arrogant. Secondly whateeeeeever you think you know about me you dont. Also I'll say it here and I'll say it to your face you can kiss my A$$$$ and bring it tough guy. Like i said, sorry to hear that you had a pretty dumb SIM partner. But that's just life and part of the job, if your SIM partner really give your problems, then you have to get with the instructor or lead instructor and say "Hey man, the guys' a nice guy but he's really not helping me out and he might affect my performance". Hell my last 121 checkride the same guy that was one of my instructors was also my right seater for the checkride and almost and I mean REALLY almost screwed me over TWICE b/c he actually was having a bad day and fell behind the airplane. Did I get a little upset, indeed I did. But I managed to keep things under control and passed my checkride with no problems. What did that teach me? Well that even an instructor can make mistakes and never never EVER let your guard down in the airplane or the SIM. But I didnt get on here and give everyone a speech about how "OH PLEASE COME TO XXXX AIRLINES PREPARED OR DONT COME AT ALL BLAH BLAH BLAH!" So yeah look me up, and if you are calling me arrogant then you my friend need to check yourself FIRST. PEACE BIATCH!

 

[wmuflyguy]

At the CA interview they said that they were hiring instructors that would start on the 5th. They would go through all the training and get type-rated and do IOE, then would do sim instruction and ground instruction and fly occasionally. They said this was an option for us, if we were interested. It is only msp based though.

As for straight street CA, they said we would be put in a pool and called when a vacancy goes unfilled. They also said we could come as FO's in the next available class if we wanted to do that.

I got a conditional offer and will probably just wait it out in the pool, if/when they give me a firm offer.

 

[GlenQ]

this may be a dumb question, but why is their street captain time 2000?...if the upgrade time is so short, whats the difference between someone with just 1500hrs getting hired as fo and then going straight into captain training vs. someone waiting for 2000 hrs and getting on as a street captain...wouldn't the street captain mins basically be 1500 since you would just get hired as fo and become captain immediately anyway? am i missing something?

something tells me this is a dumb question and i just cant see it.

 

[Flybet3]

Flybet3,

Good job on getting the PIC job at Mesaba. When you get to MEM, you need to hit a rib joint called Rendezvous near downtown. Awesome dry-rub ribs. I'd say they are some of the best ribs I have ever had. Have fun.

Thanks for the advice bud. Everytime I've had an overnight in memphis I try to go to Corky's BBQ that's always very very tasty. But Yeah I'll check out that rib joint. Thanks again! PEACE!

 

[Flybet3]

oh yes, a heartbeat and ATP mins......how our standards have changed.....

You wish... it amazes me that you talk about me as if you were any better and as if you were acting very mature right now. Yeah way to go. I promise you this I have about as much or even MORE experience than you. That's a fact jack

 

[xjlifer]

Wow this is sad

 

[MEL'ed]

Will the upgrades stay short for pilots with ATP mins or are there a bunch of guys lacking only 100-300 hours? Is Mesaba using the street CA applications to attract pilots with time or will they actually need street CAs soon? If a pilot with the mins started the next class as an FO, would they actually upgrade in 1-2 months or do you think that could easily be dragged out 5-6 months since more senior FOs would upgrade first? Basically, is this as good as it sounds or could it easily turn horribly bad? Not trying to look negatively at it, just explore all possibilities. I would hate to give up my nice time off and choice of schedules just chasing an upgrade that wouldn't happen.

 

[Andrew_VT]

Wow this is sad

Agreed, I probably shouldn't say anything because it's 2am on a bar night ($1 drafts on thursday nights!!) but Flybet3...you need to stop making an A$$ out of yourself.

Mesaba is a small company, I've already met people in the crew lounge and said "wait are you ___ from FI? You are!? I knew it!"

If I were MEM based I don't think it would be hard to spot an obnoxious, loudmouth, socially crass FO that addresses people as "Chump", "Bro", "Dumba$$", "Fing dork", and "BIATCH". Especially when the fact that you are latino as well as a lot of other personal information that could be used to identify you is archived in this message board.

Some other golden nuggets from the first few pages of your "Find more posts by flybet3" results are you telling a current XJ captain to "kiss your A$$ and bring it" as well as calling him a "bitter little do*** bag".


I thought it was really great that in a 09-07-2007 post when a fellow pilot complained about your management you had the following to say:

Well you and other bunch of a$$es can go ahead and just leave, bump up some of our seniorities.

Yeah... Welcome aboard!

 

[IamGumbyDammit]

I feel like I'm in our crew room. Usually it's the FAs that act like this.

 

[Raskal]

this may be a dumb question, but why is their street captain time 2000?...if the upgrade time is so short, whats the difference between someone with just 1500hrs getting hired as fo and then going straight into captain training vs. someone waiting for 2000 hrs and getting on as a street captain...wouldn't the street captain mins basically be 1500 since you would just get hired as fo and become captain immediately anyway? am i missing something?

something tells me this is a dumb question and i just cant see it.

In an attempt to get this back on track, it's not a dumb question, but to me going in as an FO is a dumb move. Here's why, lets say you go in as an FO, you spend your godawful weeks or whatever in school all to pass your ride for no type. A month or two later you bid and get an upgrade, guess where you go? Right back to school-same class, same time frame, just to pass essentially the same ride and get a type this time.

I don't know about you, but school is not fun, and there is no way I'm attending two training classes if I don't have to-this whole airline initial thing is way too long as it is. Not to mention, like was pointed out earlier, you don't have any guarantee of time frame for upgrade...to be stuck at FO pay for any period of time is simply not doable for many, including me.

 

[Flybet3]

Agreed, I probably shouldn't say anything because it's 2am on a bar night ($1 drafts on thursday nights!!) but Flybet3...you need to stop making an A$$ out of yourself.

Mesaba is a small company, I've already met people in the crew lounge and said "wait are you ___ from FI? You are!? I knew it!"

If I were MEM based I don't think it would be hard to spot an obnoxious, loudmouth, socially crass FO that addresses people as "Chump", "Bro", "Dumba$$", "Fing dork", and "BIATCH". Especially when the fact that you are latino as well as a lot of other personal information that could be used to identify you is archived in this message board.

Some other golden nuggets from the first few pages of your "Find more posts by flybet3" results are you telling a current XJ captain to "kiss your A$$ and bring it" as well as calling him a "bitter little do*** bag".


I thought it was really great that in a 09-07-2007 post when a fellow pilot complained about your management you had the following to say:



Yeah... Welcome aboard!

well keep your eyes open for a tall latino with a thick accent. I should be easy to spot them. I look like a darker Ricky Ricardo

Anyways, you can call me whatever you want, but the fact of the matter is that people that come on this board and only complain piss me off. Your typical "Run away from this company!" "You got hired with 800 hrs? SCARY" and my least faviorate are the ones that want to give people speeches about how they better come prepared to training b/c this company will not tolerate it! Well DUH! Also telling people that they got hired b/c they are breathing with a pulse is a pretty retarded statement. As much as some of you wish it were true every company even the low ones like Gojets and TSA will not hire someone just b/c they are breathing and showed up to the interview retardedly happy to fly a jet. And even if that were true till this day I have not seen a complete idiot pass a 121 training course. Some of you instead of helping your fellow pilots only get on here to try and act as if you were better and bigger. And then you actually have the balls to ask other people as to how they made it through the interview?

 

[Shaheen]

Ok first of all if you're trying to call me unprofessional b/c of my comment, well then you should tell your boy not to get on a forum and talk trash about his sim partner either and bark at the new people with out even knowing them. Secondly in regards to your training department, man.... cry me a river bro. Seriously do you think your training department is the only one with serious issues. If I had a nickle for everytime I heard someone complain about their training department and airline I would be rich. Everyone seems to think that their company sucks at this and sucks at that, and they victimize them selves b/c of it. Oh yeah I know I dont have protection the first year bud, this is not my first airline. I think I have an idea of how things work. Thanks

Bud, your problem is that you'd been happy if Hawk used 'political correctness' and told you in a roundabout way about the problems with new hires.

You sure showed your inability to handle a direct and straight forward view!

We had one new hire in our class who constantly wanted to show how much more he knew than the captains: he knew the chemicl formulae of substance that creates O2 in Pax cabin, but didn't know who Frank Whittle was.

Sounds like you're heading for the same reputation.

Be humble, listen, observe, and learn. Just because you've been with one airline does not mean you got this airline figured out!

I can already see a major CRM issue with you.