JetBlue Applies For FLL-BOG; MCO-BOG ?

[Hair-on-Fire]

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JetBlue has filed with DOT for service between Bogotá and both Fort Lauderdale and Orlando. The application isn't up yet, however.

Competition for the 21 new frequencies will be heavy.

So far, DL wants 14 for JFK-BOG, ATL-CLO, and ATL-MDE.

CO has said they will ask for "at least seven".

Spirit will also ask for at least seven, for FLL-BOG.

In addition, NK and DL are protesting AA's use of seven frequencies starting 13Dec07. Originally they were slated to go to MIA-BAQ. However, since then, Barranquilla flights are Open Skies, so they are free for AA to use them elsewhere, so AA will use them on MIA-BOG and MIA-MDE. Lawyers for Spirit and Delta are trying to argue that "since they aren't going to BAQ, they can't be used at all", while Continental doesn't even make the argument and assumes they will become free.

So we have four airlines for 21 frequencies, possibly 28. It is almost undeniable that Spirit and jetBlue will get seven each, as they are new entrants. The rest comes down to whether DL or CO has the stronger application. Delta will not get 14 frequencies, so they will have to pick JFK-BOG or ATL-MDE/CLO.

If the lawyers are able to persuade DOT that AA's use of the frequencies on MIA-BOG/MDE is unfair (the whole argument is based on a technicality and likely won't succede, then each airline will likely get seven.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

Very much is contingent on what American does by December 13. If they fail to fly their remaining slots then Spirit and Jetblue have a good chance on gaining those flights into Bogota. Right now, in its filing, Jetblue is looking to operate 7 flights a week to Bogota from both FLL and MCO sometime starting next Spring.

 

[C-150ETOPS]

Fun at BOG:

-One time I counted 23 out of 24 people wearing bulletproof vests while doing a preflight. Guess who didn't have a vest?

-If you're lucky, you get to check out up close the armored white Suburbans from the US Embassy. They sometimes pick up on the ramp. Identical to the one's from "Clear and Present Danger"

-Watch out for the flunky local ramp guard adjusting his belt, letting UZI slip out of coat, and almost grabs trigger when catching it. Lesson learned, don't loiter in front of flunky local guards.

-The ATC radios suck and english sometimes is a work in progress, but where else can I say I've done a NDB Circle-to-land approach at minimums with 3 runway changes at 8300' MSL in a widebody?


Colombians in general are some of the nicest people you can fly (I'll leave out BAQ). Far more polite than anyone destination in the USA.

Welcome to the party

 

[Kharma Police]

Fun at BOG:

-One time I counted 23 out of 24 people wearing bulletproof vests while doing a preflight. Guess who didn't have a vest?

-If you're lucky, you get to check out up close the armored white Suburbans from the US Embassy. They sometimes pick up on the ramp. Identical to the one's from "Clear and Present Danger"

-Watch out for the flunky local ramp guard adjusting his belt, letting UZI slip out of coat, and almost grabs trigger when catching it. Lesson learned, don't loiter in front of flunky local guards.

-The ATC radios suck and english sometimes is a work in progress, but where else can I say I've done a NDB Circle-to-land approach at minimums with 3 runway changes at 8300' MSL in a widebody?


Colombians in general are some of the nicest people you can fly (I'll leave out BAQ). Far more polite than anyone destination in the USA.

Welcome to the party

I would rather walk through dowtown Bogatá than downtown Philadelphia.

 

[C-150ETOPS]

I would rather walk through dowtown Bogatá than downtown Philadelphia.

I think it's a lateral move

 

[FADEC]

I would rather walk through dowtown Bogatá than downtown Philadelphia.

Evidently you don't know much about Philadelphia.

 

[Kharma Police]

Evidently you don't know much about Philadelphia.

"Philadelphia had the highest murder rate among the nation's 10 largest cities last year, and violent crime and property crime grew at a rate that exceeded the national average, according to FBI statistics released yesterday.
Philadelphia's 406 murders last year represented a 7.7 percent increase over 2005. The 10 largest cities recorded an increase of 6.9 percent and nationwide the rate increased 0.3 percent, according to the FBI's preliminary uniform crime report."

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/homepage/20070605_Phila__leads_big_cities_in_murder_rate.html

 

[j3ben]

The bars and clubs are better in Bogota than Philly!

 

[redflyer65]

Try Memphis. It's lovely at night.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

The murder rate in Orlando, FL, went up 316% since 2005. I'll take my chances with the Columbians and, of course, their women!!!

 

[g-code]

Fun at BOG:

-One time I counted 23 out of 24 people wearing bulletproof vests while doing a preflight. Guess who didn't have a vest?

-If you're lucky, you get to check out up close the armored white Suburbans from the US Embassy. They sometimes pick up on the ramp. Identical to the one's from "Clear and Present Danger"

-Watch out for the flunky local ramp guard adjusting his belt, letting UZI slip out of coat, and almost grabs trigger when catching it. Lesson learned, don't loiter in front of flunky local guards.

-The ATC radios suck and english sometimes is a work in progress, but where else can I say I've done a NDB Circle-to-land approach at minimums with 3 runway changes at 8300' MSL in a widebody?


Colombians in general are some of the nicest people you can fly (I'll leave out BAQ). Far more polite than anyone destination in the USA.

Welcome to the party

Funny you should mention the flunky guards, because while I was in BOG eating at one of the food courts adjacent to the airport police office one of the officers accidently discharged his firearm into the ceiling.

Colombia is a great place though....if you speak spanish.

 

[freightdogfred]

I would rather walk through dowtown Bogatá than downtown Philadelphia.

I'd rather walk thru south Philly than south Bogota.
Take a stroll down in the hood say, about Calle 18 at night at let me know how it works out.

 

[curtis46]

once in bog i was approached by a police officer who asked me to follow him at the police station,he wanted to make sure i'm safe in the street of bogota.!!
i started walking toward a policeman across the street,my fake police officer ran for his life.
my advise,stay together with your crew.

 

[curtis46]

Another advise,don't leave your bags unattended.a driver once asked me if i could give him a favor by taking a small package of drug along!!i swear for him that was no big deal.be careful.

 

[Kharma Police]

I'd rather walk thru south Philly than south Bogota.
Take a stroll down in the hood say, about Calle 18 at night at let me know how it works out.

Try speaking the language and don't look like an American.

 

[Tomct]

Way to go Blue!! Getting Bigger and Bigger!

 

[BigMotorToter]

Enjoy!!!



COLOMBIA

June 04, 2007

This Travel Warning updates ongoing security concerns in Colombia and reminds American citizens of those concerns. This supersedes the Travel Warning issued January 18, 2006.

The Department of State warns U.S. citizens of the dangers of travel to Colombia. Violence by narcoterrorist groups and other criminals continues to affect all parts of the country, urban and rural.

Violence has continued to decrease markedly in most urban areas, including Bogotá, Medellin, Barranquilla, and Cartagena. The level of violence in Cali, Buenaventura, and the surrounding areas remains high, largely as a result of the illicit drug trade. Many rural areas of Colombia remain extremely dangerous due to the presence of narcoterrorists and Colombian government operations against them.

Terrorist groups such as the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) and the National Liberation Army (ELN), and other criminal organizations, continue to kidnap civilians for ransom or as political bargaining chips. No one can be considered immune from kidnapping on the basis of occupation, nationality, or other factors. The FARC have held three American official contractors hostage since February 2003. Although the U.S. government places the highest priority on the safe recovery of kidnapped Americans, it is U.S. policy not to make concessions to or strike deals with kidnappers. Consequently, the U.S. government’s ability to assist kidnapping victims is limited.

U.S. government officials and their families in Colombia are permitted to travel to major cities in the country, but only by air. They are not allowed to use inter- or intra-city bus transportation. They also are not permitted to travel by road outside of urban areas at night. All Americans in Colombia are urged to follow these precautions.

As the Department develops information on potential security threats to U.S. citizens overseas, it shares credible threats through its Consular Information Program documents, available on the Internet at http://travel.state.gov. U.S. citizens should consult warden messages for Colombia at http://bogota.usembassy.gov/wwwsc093.shtml, as well as the Department of State’s Consular Information Sheet for Colombia and Worldwide Caution Public Announcement at http://travel.state.gov. U.S. travelers can also get up-to-date information on security conditions by calling 1-888-407-4747 in the U.S. or Canada or on a regular toll line at 1-202-501-4444.

 

[FADEC]

The bars and clubs are better in Bogota than Philly!

I would question that as well. I worked as a bartender in downtown philly for 13 years as I paid my flying dues. You need to come party with me.There are very few bartenders downtown whom I don't know. It also helps that I was born and raised in Belfast so I blended quite well into the philly bar scene. Philly is a fantastic city you just have to know where to go.

 

[General Lee]

Very much is contingent on what American does by December 13. If they fail to fly their remaining slots then Spirit and Jetblue have a good chance on gaining those flights into Bogota. Right now, in its filing, Jetblue is looking to operate 7 flights a week to Bogota from both FLL and MCO sometime starting next Spring.

If you get Bogota, I bet your pilots will happily walk around town at night without fear. Why? Because most of your pilots live in Yonkers or Ozone Park, and you are "used to it." Good luck.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Way to go Blue!! Getting Bigger and Bigger!

Good for those guys.

Bye Bye--General Lee