Mesaba..CPTs Off The Street!

[Captain Morgan]

Do you get paid in training and if so how much? Also, are you made an f/o for a select number of months prior to being made a captain, or are you made a captain right out of the chute after you pass your checkrides? Thanks.

CM

 

[Hulk Hogan]

I wouldn't be surprised if they paid street cpts as fo's until after IOE. Otherwise we have issues with current guys upgrading and being paid less than junior pilots. Pay is 75 hours per month at whatever rate, however new hires do not get per diem. I would think street cpts would occupy the left seat right out of training.

 

[Captain Morgan]

Thanks. I'm interested.

CM

 

[Lear70]

SmokingWhateverSmellsLikeCaptainMorgan say WHAT?

Falcon 20, 900, LR 35, and you want to fly a Saab?

Kidding, right? I must have missed the smiley or winky face...

 

[Captain Morgan]

Haha, no sir... not kidding. I am in a different position. I have alot of time in some cool equipment, but it's all SIC. I have no TPIC to speak of. I have a family and it's hard for me to get back into the regionals to get that time at an F/O level because of the pay. In anycase, I like the whirrly props so that aspect doesn't bother me much.

CM

 

[xjhawk]

lets see, you can get street capt but you will be at the bottom of the list for some time. But in the mid 40's an hour range. that would feed a family in memphis or detroit. MInneapolis is $$$ though. We are paid during training, i would not doubt you would get screwed and not get capt pay if hired as a capt. new hire pay is like 24 an hour. paid out at 75 a month guarantee. Better than some, but lower than most I beleive. not a bad place to work now, but a year ago........saying it was bad is a serious understatement. the times are different. If the NWA flow starts, be prepared for a lot of movement, especially into a jet if thats what you want....but wait in line.....and to all of you who are pre-madonnas......stay away, we paid our dues, we do not want attitudes...we want good people, i am training with a bunch now that are pretty good people......who know how lucky they are.

 

[BOHICAgain]

If the NWA flow starts, be prepared for a lot of movement,

isn't it 9 slots a month from XJ to NW? if that is the case 108 a year is not that much movement. I know your seniority list is around 800 and growing at this rate it would be about 8 years before a new hire could go to NWA

 

[XJohXJ]

isn't it 9 slots a month from XJ to NW? if that is the case 108 a year is not that much movement. I know your seniority list is around 800 and growing at this rate it would be about 8 years before a new hire could go to NWA

Absolutely true, however, that's a lot of movement for Mesaba! And also, you have to add on the guys that go to Continental, Southwest (whenever they gear up again) FedEx, UPS, etc etc.

Also, I'm guessing plenty of the most senior guys will bypass NWA. That's a permanent bypass, and it won't stall the others from moving. In other words, they'll already have stated they don't want to go, and the flow will automatically skip them.

However, yes, it still will be several years for a new hire to flow up.

 

[Jonahproject]

Talked to a guy who was offered an interview this next week. H.R. told him that they would be hiring street cpts into both the Saab and the jet. Think there's any truth to this?

 

[Gator1999]

Wow...how things have changed. Street captains at XJ, I never thought I would ever see that.

 

[OttoPilot]

Talked to a guy who was offered an interview this next week. H.R. told him that they would be hiring street cpts into both the Saab and the jet. Think there's any truth to this?

They can't hire a single street Captain if there is a qualified pilot at Mesaba that wants the position. That being said, I think there are plenty of SAAB Captains that will move to the jets. The street Captains will all go to the SAAB for some time.

 

[xjhawk]

Yeah, most of the first 150 at XJ will stay at XJ. Its a formula of a return of investment to go to NWA. If you are a jet capt at XJ making nearly a 100k a year (ten year guy or gal) to go to NWA would mean about 10 years to make back the money you would lose taking the pay cut to be an FO at NWA. So many will not go. So you figure that, and 9 a month and the attrition to other airlines, losing 20 a month is good movement while adding planes and such. Even if it takes 4-6 years to get to NWA, you would have the opportunity to be a quick Saab captain, or even a jet captain quickly and have a good QOL while you wait for a position at a major with no interview......there you have it.

 

[pilotshan]

How many eagle guys are going to take a shot at this?

I'm in! No more commuting and PIC time... I'd be crazy not to.

 

[captain dad]

r u sure?

They can't hire a single street Captain if there is a qualified pilot at Mesaba that wants the position. That being said, I think there are plenty of SAAB Captains that will move to the jets. The street Captains will all go to the SAAB for some time.

I would check the contract.

Either way, it is what it is. Getting in now is good.
Don't expect to be flying for NWA for another 10 years though. The cycle will be over before a new hire's number comes up. At best you will be relatively senior at XJ for a while.

Good luck and fly safe.

 

[XJohXJ]

Don't worry, it's in the contract. The only thing that would prevent Saab Captains from becoming Jet Captains is a seat lock, and the contract states that seat locks must be lifted as necessary to prevent the hiring of a street Captain.