New Gateway for Flex

[rsm]

May be old news but just heard today that DEN just opened as a Gateway. Sure wish they would do some type of home basing or atleast some type with restrictions such as base must have 2 or more airlines servicing and must be within 2hrs. Or something in that line. Think it will ever happen. Sure hope so.

 

[doh]

Not old news at all. It is just up on the BB. Now it will get interesting. One of my best friends lives in DEN and would really like to see us move there. Discussion with wife to follow...

 

[xpdriver]

Boy I tell ya these other fracs sure do everything they can to keep ibt 1108 out.. You would have alot better pay and basing if ya joined up...


Quote from CS guy."our MGMT was already going to give us a pay raise before you guys at NJA got yours"

RIGHT!!!!

I have some ocean front land in PHX to sell!!!

 

[wanttofly]

Boy I tell ya these other fracs sure do everything they can to keep ibt 1108 out.. You would have alot better pay and basing if ya joined up...


Quote from CS guy."our MGMT was already going to give us a pay raise before you guys at NJA got yours"

RIGHT!!!!

I have some ocean front land in PHX to sell!!!

Does the land have oil on it also, I might be intrested!

 

[xpdriver]

Does the land have oil on it also, I might be intrested!

NO oil but lots of coolaid>>>>

 

[ksu_aviator]

Boy I tell ya these other fracs sure do everything they can to keep ibt 1108 out.. You would have alot better pay and basing if ya joined up...


Quote from CS guy."our MGMT was already going to give us a pay raise before you guys at NJA got yours"

RIGHT!!!!

I have some ocean front land in PHX to sell!!!

I only have one thing to say about unions...

Unions only have power if they can convince their members that they are miserable. If their members are happy, they have no power.

 

[CL300Pilot]

By the way, and for the record, management had been talking about the DEN base for some time. In fact, long before the NJA proposed 100 bases ever became public.

KSUAviator, well said.

Boy I tell ya these other fracs sure do everything they can to keep ibt 1108 out.. You would have alot better pay and basing if ya joined up...


Quote from CS guy."our MGMT was already going to give us a pay raise before you guys at NJA got yours"

RIGHT!!!!

I have some ocean front land in PHX to sell!!!

 

[xpdriver]

I only have one thing to say about unions...

Unions only have power if they can convince their members that they are miserable. If their members are happy, they have no power.

There is going to come a time in the near future when mgmt wants to "change things around" and you guys will have zero protection. Zero protection with schedules, vacations or worst of all PAY. So I hope things stay good. Also if our IBB talks go well< i will like to see what your MGMT does if regards to a pay raise for your guys..

PS most everybody is HAPPY at NJA...

 

[BombJet45]

"management had been talking about the DEN base for some time"

Operative word is talking. Were they going to open it before hearing of the NJ's deal? Do not fool yourself. Mgt's use of the CAB is insulting. Mgt has a chance to save face and not look too reactionary by opening a few more bases that have not been "talked" about.

 

[hammer2]

I'm so glad they picked Denver, rather than helping us out with our health insurance. They really know what is important

 

[RP170]

I'm so glad they picked Denver, rather than helping us out with our health insurance. They really know what is important

Just curious as to what you guys pay for health insurance premiums per month?

 

[doylehargraves]

Just curious as to what you guys pay for health insurance premiums per month?

TOO FREAGIN MUCH. The health benefits at flex SUCK

 

[Propilot77]

TOO FREAGIN MUCH. The health benefits at flex SUCK

I second that they are horrible!!!

 

[xpdriver]

I second that they are horrible!!!

Get onboard IBT 1108......

 

[NETFLIER]

its sad but they have too many pilots at flex like 300 that they may never join because it aint good for HIM. there are other people, his kind just doesnt realize that.

however, for all the flex coolaid drinkers, the 1108 pilots will not make you wear a seatbelt as you continue to ride our coat tails... but we would like you to join the team.

Flexjet calling you in the middle of rest is FLAT BOGUS, a union can help you omit such a work rule clause. A union can help better your pay, make the company more effecient ect ect ect.

www.1108.org

 

[walshsfly]

its sad but they have too many pilots at flex like 300 that they may never join because it aint good for HIM. there are other people, his kind just doesnt realize that.

however, for all the flex coolaid drinkers, the 1108 pilots will not make you wear a seatbelt as you continue to ride our coat tails... but we would like you to join the team.

Flexjet calling you in the middle of rest is FLAT BOGUS, a union can help you omit such a work rule clause. A union can help better your pay, make the company more effecient ect ect ect.

www.1108.org

Ok I am the most anti union person I know but you turned me, my life is worthless without a union I am nobody. How in the world did I ever learn to tie my shoes without being in a union. I don't know how I can keep on living without having a union (which is nothing more than just another company trying to make a profit off of me.)

If the truckers union really wants us to become member then they need to represent us for a five year contract for free, no out of pocket cost to us in any way. Then after that trial period we will then decided if its what we want. Hell I can't think of anything I can spend money on that I don't get a full money back return policy if I am not 100% satisfied. If you won't do this then stop pushing your crap on me.

 

[300pilot]

Unions represent a high percentage of blue collar workers... white collar professions are just that, professionals, and can get things done without having to pay some "dues" to have someone else figure it out. Get a clue netflier....again, Netflier talks alot about flex and it is quite obvious that he is second guessing his decision to leave for netjets. Thank god he is out of here.....

 

[xpdriver]

Ok I am the most anti union person I know but you turned me, my life is worthless without a union I am nobody. How in the world did I ever learn to tie my shoes without being in a union. I don't know how I can keep on living without having a union (which is nothing more than just another company trying to make a profit off of me.)

If the truckers union really wants us to become member then they need to represent us for a five year contract for free, no out of pocket cost to us in any way. Then after that trial period we will then decided if its what we want. Hell I can't think of anything I can spend money on that I don't get a full money back return policy if I am not 100% satisfied. If you won't do this then stop pushing your crap on me.

Well where do I start........First they wont help you tie your shoes but they will help you buy a nicer pair.
Boy don't you know nothing is free in this world!!


Truckers Union< WOW aren't you above it all.

100% return,yes if you don't like what they do then vote them out..


Just ask yourself several questions,

1. If you have to make a tough decision,will there be someone or a group to back you up?

2. Are you getting paid what you think a jet pilot should make?

3. Are you paying too much for medical?

4. Does the company abuse the living sh&t out of you and you have no recourse?


If the answer to these question are >>yes,yes,no,and no then your right you don't need a union...

 

[walshsfly]

Well where do I start........First they wont help you tie your shoes but they will help you buy a nicer pair.
Boy don't you know nothing is free in this world!!


Truckers Union< WOW aren't you above it all.

100% return,yes if you don't like what they do then vote them out..


Just ask yourself several questions,

1. If you have to make a tough decision,will there be someone or a group to back you up?

2. Are you getting paid what you think a jet pilot should make?

3. Are you paying too much for medical?

4. Does the company abuse the living sh&t out of you and you have no recourse?


If the answer to these question are >>yes,yes,no,and no then your right you don't need a union...

I already have a nice pair of shoes.

Yes, truckers union, that is how they started isn't it?

Vote them out is different than it cost me nothing, and I get a trial period.

If I make a tough decision, yes are people and a group to back me up. (and it cost me nothing)

Well I don't know about you but if I got paid what I think I should then no one could afford me.

For everything I have needed my medical for it cost me less than others I know not in the industry.

No they don't.

I guess I don't need a union thanks for helping us clear that up.

 

[xpdriver]

I already have a nice pair of shoes.

Yes, truckers union, that is how they started isn't it?

Vote them out is different than it cost me nothing, and I get a trial period.

If I make a tough decision, yes are people and a group to back me up. (and it cost me nothing)

Well I don't know about you but if I got paid what I think I should then no one could afford me.

For everything I have needed my medical for it cost me less than others I know not in the industry.

No they don't.

I guess I don't need a union thanks for helping us clear that up.

sounds like you be good to go...good luck....oh by the way just got a 11000 raise and 11000 bonus check...union sux...

 

[bluepost]

And our first year FO's just got a 17k yr raise and 100 cities to choose from.

First day on the property every new FO will make $69,188 per yr BASE. If they elect to work 18 days a month this will be their yearly salary. If they decide to work 7and7 they will be paid $56,875 BASE yearly for the remaining 8 months.

They will pay $0 for medical, dental, vision, loss of faa medical, long and short term disability.

They will get 50% matching on their 401k contributions.

They will get paid $480 extra for every holiday they work. These holidays include President's Day, Labor day, Memorial Day, Good Friday and Easter, Martin Luther Kings day and of course the "big ones" like Xmas and 4th of July.

They will get paid $480 for every extra day they choose to work.

They will get $960 if they company fails to return them to their home base by midnight on their last day. They will get compensatory time off the start of their next tour. This includes late airlines, airline mx, severe weather...ANY REASON. Also they will not be required to travel past 14 hours on their last day. If they choose not to go over 14 hours they will be provided with a hotel and sent home on the first available flight the next morning and paid the $960 and comp time.

They will make an extra 8-15% above the base salary numbers in hourly OT and holiday pay.

They will have no training contract.

They will keep all hotel and airline points.

They will all have meals provided by the company at no cost while on flying duty while getting paid $40.80 a day in per diem. These menus include steak, salmon, satay beef, stuffed french toast and PBandJ .

Their standard hotel on the road will include free internet, will most likely be a Hilton, Marriott, Crowne Plaza, or Double Tree. They will be Hilton Diamond members from the first day they are a pilot for Netjets.

They will get 12 paid time off days per year PLUS 14 days paid vacation.

And yes...they will be required to pay union dues in the amount of about $1000 per year (tax deductable of course!).

I know some unions "suck"...but please tell me why my Union sucks? Because I just don't see it.

Now this is where you union haters start wishing ill will towards us not unlike the animosity towards SWA. Everyone wants SWA to stumble and can't wait for their hedges to run out. They wish this on the only airline that still pays excellent wages, and has ALWAYS treated their employees with respect.

As always I hope these QOL and pay increases raise the bar in the industry and hope everyone else gets NJA + 1.

I had nothing to do with it. I fell in a bucket of sht and came out with a free hamburger. It is our management and our union that have worked together to develop efficiencies and QOL that have helped motivate the group and produce a profitable company.

 

[NETFLIER]

please pass another cup of that koolaid to 300 and his buddy.

 

[LAZYB]

And our first year FO's just got a 17k yr raise and 100 cities to choose from.

First day on the property every new FO will make $69,188 per yr BASE. If they elect to work 18 days a month this will be their yearly salary. If they decide to work 7and7 they will be paid $56,875 BASE yearly for the remaining 8 months.

They will pay $0 for medical, dental, vision, loss of faa medical, long and short term disability.

They will get 50% matching on their 401k contributions.

They will get paid $480 extra for every holiday they work. These holidays include President's Day, Labor day, Memorial Day, Good Friday and Easter, Martin Luther Kings day and of course the "big ones" like Xmas and 4th of July.

They will get paid $480 for every extra day they choose to work.

They will get $960 if they company fails to return them to their home base by midnight on their last day. They will get compensatory time off the start of their next tour. This includes late airlines, airline mx, severe weather...ANY REASON. Also they will not be required to travel past 14 hours on their last day. If they choose not to go over 14 hours they will be provided with a hotel and sent home on the first available flight the next morning and paid the $960 and comp time.

They will make an extra 8-15% above the base salary numbers in hourly OT and holiday pay.

They will have no training contract.

They will keep all hotel and airline points.

They will all have meals provided by the company at no cost while on flying duty while getting paid $40.80 a day in per diem. These menus include steak, salmon, satay beef, stuffed french toast and PBandJ .

Their standard hotel on the road will include free internet, will most likely be a Hilton, Marriott, Crowne Plaza, or Double Tree. They will be Hilton Diamond members from the first day they are a pilot for Netjets.

They will get 12 paid time off days per year PLUS 14 days paid vacation.

And yes...they will be required to pay union dues in the amount of about $1000 per year (tax deductable of course!).

I know some unions "suck"...but please tell me why my Union sucks? Because I just don't see it.

Now this is where you union haters start wishing ill will towards us not unlike the animosity towards SWA. Everyone wants SWA to stumble and can't wait for their hedges to run out. They wish this on the only airline that still pays excellent wages, and has ALWAYS treated their employees with respect.

As always I hope these QOL and pay increases raise the bar in the industry and hope everyone else gets NJA + 1.

I had nothing to do with it. I fell in a bucket of sht and came out with a free hamburger. It is our management and our union that have worked together to develop efficiencies and QOL that have helped motivate the group and produce a profitable company.

Yeah, but do you know anyone at Flexjet who can recommend me for a $1,000 finders fee...:beer: imp:

 

[walshsfly]

And our first year FO's just got a 17k yr raise and 100 cities to choose from.

First day on the property every new FO will make $69,188 per yr BASE. If they elect to work 18 days a month this will be their yearly salary. If they decide to work 7and7 they will be paid $56,875 BASE yearly for the remaining 8 months.

They will pay $0 for medical, dental, vision, loss of faa medical, long and short term disability.

They will get 50% matching on their 401k contributions.

They will get paid $480 extra for every holiday they work. These holidays include President's Day, Labor day, Memorial Day, Good Friday and Easter, Martin Luther Kings day and of course the "big ones" like Xmas and 4th of July.

They will get paid $480 for every extra day they choose to work.

They will get $960 if they company fails to return them to their home base by midnight on their last day. They will get compensatory time off the start of their next tour. This includes late airlines, airline mx, severe weather...ANY REASON. Also they will not be required to travel past 14 hours on their last day. If they choose not to go over 14 hours they will be provided with a hotel and sent home on the first available flight the next morning and paid the $960 and comp time.

They will make an extra 8-15% above the base salary numbers in hourly OT and holiday pay.

They will have no training contract.

They will keep all hotel and airline points.

They will all have meals provided by the company at no cost while on flying duty while getting paid $40.80 a day in per diem. These menus include steak, salmon, satay beef, stuffed french toast and PBandJ .

Their standard hotel on the road will include free internet, will most likely be a Hilton, Marriott, Crowne Plaza, or Double Tree. They will be Hilton Diamond members from the first day they are a pilot for Netjets.

They will get 12 paid time off days per year PLUS 14 days paid vacation.

And yes...they will be required to pay union dues in the amount of about $1000 per year (tax deductable of course!).

I know some unions "suck"...but please tell me why my Union sucks? Because I just don't see it.

Now this is where you union haters start wishing ill will towards us not unlike the animosity towards SWA. Everyone wants SWA to stumble and can't wait for their hedges to run out. They wish this on the only airline that still pays excellent wages, and has ALWAYS treated their employees with respect.

As always I hope these QOL and pay increases raise the bar in the industry and hope everyone else gets NJA + 1.

I had nothing to do with it. I fell in a bucket of sht and came out with a free hamburger. It is our management and our union that have worked together to develop efficiencies and QOL that have helped motivate the group and produce a profitable company.

Thats all great for the new guys but what about he guys that have been there for a long time (you know the majority) how does it really benefit them in the long run? Even I know this isn't set in stone yet you still have to vote. Don't state it like its fact until its ratified.

 

[Cautious Belly]

How much of your dues are going to fund Hillary Clinton and other Demoncrat politicians? Why are unions trying to do away with the secret ballot? Why have unions been losing members for years in America?

Sorry, not a joiner. They're not getting my money, because I don't agree with who they are, or what they stand for. I'll just let the free market works its magic for me.

 

[NETFLIER]

my story stays the same. I am not a union guy either. BUT 1108 has done great things for us and they have lead the company in a direction of saving money because they have both the union and the company WORKING together. If we are all joined for the same cause it is good for both partys.

the union dues are miniscule in regards to the return of union protection, job security, and money.

The ignorant complain they gotta pay taxes when they hit the lottery as well.

 

[Club ORD FO]

since we are speaking of unions, their benefit really shows when you are at a company going under. I came from independence. If we did not have the protection of a union, our pay and benefits would have been totally stripped away. instead we had some control over how much we gave back and set dates for getting the raises back. Of course we ended up going under anyway.

And how about personal job protection? Failed a training event? screwed something up on the job? I bet you'd be wishing you had some union protection in your corner then. Remember the guys that got caught flying naked at southwest? got their jobs back thanks to the union... a few stories come to mind from independence too...

If everything if fine and dandy, a union is not all that needed. It is when the going gets bad that they show their worth.

 

[walshsfly]

since we are speaking of unions, their benefit really shows when you are at a company going under. I came from independence. If we did not have the protection of a union, our pay and benefits would have been totally stripped away. instead we had some control over how much we gave back and set dates for getting the raises back. Of course we ended up going under anyway.

And how about personal job protection? Failed a training event? screwed something up on the job? I bet you'd be wishing you had some union protection in your corner then. Remember the guys that got caught flying naked at southwest? got their jobs back thanks to the union... a few stories come to mind from independence too...

If everything if fine and dandy, a union is not all that needed. It is when the going gets bad that they show their worth.

Yea great union stories like remember the guy who raped a FA and got his job back because of the union, then he did it again. I love that type of protection.

 

[rjcap]

And our first year FO's just got a 17k yr raise and 100 cities to choose from.

First day on the property every new FO will make $69,188 per yr BASE. If they elect to work 18 days a month this will be their yearly salary. If they decide to work 7and7 they will be paid $56,875 BASE yearly for the remaining 8 months.

They will pay $0 for medical, dental, vision, loss of faa medical, long and short term disability.

They will get 50% matching on their 401k contributions.

They will get paid $480 extra for every holiday they work. These holidays include President's Day, Labor day, Memorial Day, Good Friday and Easter, Martin Luther Kings day and of course the "big ones" like Xmas and 4th of July.

They will get paid $480 for every extra day they choose to work.

They will get $960 if they company fails to return them to their home base by midnight on their last day. They will get compensatory time off the start of their next tour. This includes late airlines, airline mx, severe weather...ANY REASON. Also they will not be required to travel past 14 hours on their last day. If they choose not to go over 14 hours they will be provided with a hotel and sent home on the first available flight the next morning and paid the $960 and comp time.

They will make an extra 8-15% above the base salary numbers in hourly OT and holiday pay.

They will have no training contract.

They will keep all hotel and airline points.

They will all have meals provided by the company at no cost while on flying duty while getting paid $40.80 a day in per diem. These menus include steak, salmon, satay beef, stuffed french toast and PBandJ .

Their standard hotel on the road will include free internet, will most likely be a Hilton, Marriott, Crowne Plaza, or Double Tree. They will be Hilton Diamond members from the first day they are a pilot for Netjets.

They will get 12 paid time off days per year PLUS 14 days paid vacation.

And yes...they will be required to pay union dues in the amount of about $1000 per year (tax deductable of course!).

Looks pretty good !!!

 

[Club ORD FO]

Yea great union stories like remember the guy who raped a FA and got his job back because of the union, then he did it again. I love that type of protection.

no...he got his job back after getting busy with his female FO during the flight. He got canned after the incident you mentioned.

I never said he deserved to get his job back, just that a union gives a pilot job protection. maybe too good....