AMF Pay Raise

[AZaviator]

i think it's a low cut to the metro/1900 guys. What a joke. I say screw the bonus, put that money into our check each month, that way we don't lose money on it (taxes). Also, the problem isn't really brining people in....it's keeping people. I don't understand why us metro drivers get nothing. Pay metro guys 60K and you'll see them stick around for years waiting for that "dream" job...

EXACTLY! I couldn't have said it any better myself!

 

[TheDogsBollocks]

i think it's a low cut to the metro/1900 guys.

Obviously we are not of value to AMF. Having read many company communiques to the contrary just affirms that talk is cheap!

 

[AirMugsy]

Is anyone else that flies metros hiring right now?...

Berry is paying their Metro drivers 55k/year for their socal base. A little less for the midwest/south bases.

 

[ksu_aviator]

Berry is paying their Metro drivers 55k/year for their socal base. A little less for the midwest/south bases.

Apply to Berry. When Berry does the PRIA request, AMF will start to take notice.

 

[1st2000]

Apply to Berry. When Berry does the PRIA request, AMF will start to take notice.

I heard that the last class had 24 people in it. There were three Metro pilots right off the street. Also, I heard that the open Santa Maria Metro has been filled and it is a retired American Captain who lives there. The last class also had two retired airline captains that are taking a LR35 passenger airplane to New York. Makes sense that these guys are joining the company since the VP is a 121 guy. I asked Joanie and she says there are 15 pilots in the next class so far and there are interviews going on all over the system.

 

[AZFr8tPilot]

Preparing for peak always results in an increase in hiring in September/October. Peak season coupled with existing pilot shortages in the system has resulted in the unusually large class sizes.

 

[1st2000]

It's worse than that. The new pay structure is such that you don't get any bonuses until you have been with the company a long time. Let's follow a typical career.

AMF has to hire 500 hour pilots before the regionals get their hands on them, so they'll go into the Bro. They'll sign a 1 year contract but never get a bonus (they use to). Then they'll move into the PA31 and get stuck in a 6 month comitment of some sort. Just as that ends they'll be offered a 99 slot with a 1 year contract. Then, just as that ends, they'll be offered a 1900 or Metro slot with another 1 year contract. After they finish their first year in the Metro they will only be able to get a bonus if they sign another 1 year contract. If they do that they only get half of the new and wonderful retention bonus.

Let's do the math: 1+.5+1+1+1=4.5 years of contracted labor to get roughly $2000 bonus.

Then, if they get the Bro captain they'll have to sign another 1 year contract and will only get the 1/2 bonus if they sign another 1 year contract after the first year.

Now we are up to 6.5 years and they get a whopping $4000 in bonus money.

Before it would have been close to $8,000 if they follow the scenario above.

This seems more like a scam than a retention plan.

Or maybe they are trying to get a union started? I don't know.

I am not sure how you figured any of this?

 

[1st2000]

Well, I didn't get one...

What a slap in the face those who fly as E120 FO's... Especially those who just left the 99 and Chieftain. Could have made more doing that.

My understanding is from the OAK talk this past Sunday that present EMB120 First Officers stay on the old pay scale. Only new First Officers go to this. The VP said that "no FO should be paid more than a Captain".

 

[1st2000]

Is anyone else that flies metros hiring right now?...

I hope so. Let me see if I can help find you a few addresses. Tell me where you are based and I will look for the opening so I can bid it.

 

[1st2000]

Several years? Does anyone know how much seniority the last batch of 1900 pilots have? Isn't there a metro run open for bid right now, or did it get filled?

I met one of the pilots that got the 1900 and she was in her first year. She was willing to take a run in PHX that was not very popular I think. She told me that there was another pilot in the same group that had less than a year and also went to PHX. Not bad. I hope this continues.

 

[AZFr8tPilot]

I met one of the pilots that got the 1900 and she was in her first year. She was willing to take a run in PHX that was not very popular I think. She told me that there was another pilot in the same group that had less than a year and also went to PHX. Not bad. I hope this continues.

It's called an outstation, and yes they tend to go junior because of the more challenging schedules and living arrangements. Not to mention the fact that you have to live in places like Sierra Vista, Nogales, and Yuma...those are the 1900 outstations out of the PHX base.

 

[1st2000]

It's called an outstation, and yes they tend to go junior because of the more challenging schedules and living arrangements. Not to mention the fact that you have to live in places like Sierra Vista, Nogales, and Yuma...those are the 1900 outstations out of the PHX base.

Nogales, that's it! That is what she told me. Thanks for the explanation about outstations.

I am not sure that Nogales is actually paradise, but her schedule is pretty sweet. I think it is awesome there are those kinds of opportunities for those that are willing to chase them. It is the way it should be I guess.

 

[AZFr8tPilot]

Nogales outstation.... her schedule is pretty sweet...

Outstations are great opportunities, but the schedules in most cases (including this one) are far from sweet. They are actually pretty rough and wearing over time....especially if you don't actually live full-time in your outstation town.

 

[CFIIer]

I thought I saw somewhere that mins to get on the metroliner and E120 are like 1800/500. What kinds of times do the people who come off the street and fill those spots typically have? The metro that is based in bakersfield, only lays over at ONT once a week, or does the pilot live in ONT? Also, does AMF have floaters (guys on reserve) when the normal pilot can't do the run that day/week?

 

[frmrBUFFdrvr]

I am not sure how you figured any of this?

Part of the reason you can't figure it out is that there are some wrong assumptions made. Like that each time you change planes, the clock for the bonus resets. If you are going to take a transition to a new plane, you will incure a training commitment anyway, so you would pick up the resigning bonus the first year. And you would get the retention bonus every year after that. The pay scale (as always) is based on years with the company, not in the position.

You're usually pretty good with numbers, KSU, but you really mixed it up this time. If someone were to stay till 6.5 years using the scenerio you laid out, they would have received in the neighborhood of $15,000 in retention bonus money (before taxes, obviously.)

 

[time builder]

I thought I saw somewhere that mins to get on the metroliner and E120 are like 1800/500. What kinds of times do the people who come off the street and fill those spots typically have? The metro that is based in bakersfield, only lays over at ONT once a week, or does the pilot live in ONT? Also, does AMF have floaters (guys on reserve) when the normal pilot can't do the run that day/week?

Company minimums are flexible. They'd like to have 1400 for a Chieftain, 1800 for a BE99 and 2500 for the Metro, but those times aren't realistic anymore for junior Bases like SLC. Bases like BFI and PHX are more senior, and will take longer to progress.

On the subject of outstation bases, the schedule is typically Monday night through Saturday morning for UPS and DHL runs. You spend five nights a week away from home (at the base layover) and you're home all day every day.

If you're like me, having a wife and small child, it can be a great lifestyle. Some folks hate it, particularly if they're single, or choose not to live at the outstation.

Yes, there is a reserve, but if you're outstation based it's a little tricky to use to get a day off at home. Then again, you could have the guy who used to do your route still living in town and maintaining PTOC status, but you'd have to be real lucky for that to happen.

Sorry for deviating from the subject of the thread, carry on.

 

[tinman]

Yes, there is a reserve, but if you're outstation based it's a little tricky to use to get a day off at home. Then again, you could have the guy who used to do your route still living in town and maintaining PTOC status, but you'd have to be real lucky for that to happen.

You lucky dog!!

 

[time builder]

I know, living the life.

 

[Str82theNumbers]

Dear AMF Upper upper management,

Yes there has been a pay raise, first year guarantee is $45,500. Average flight time per month is 40-50 hours for a scheduled route. If your on-demand it could be as low as 20 when its slow or well over 100 when its busy.

That is for a Be-99 PIC in a part of the country with MUCH lower cost of living doing the SAME type of flying for the SAME big brown company.

Details in this thread.

Please shove your pathetic new pay rates, and all accompanying excuses, up your collective asses.

Thanks.

 

[ksu_aviator]

Part of the reason you can't figure it out is that there are some wrong assumptions made. Like that each time you change planes, the clock for the bonus resets. If you are going to take a transition to a new plane, you will incure a training commitment anyway, so you would pick up the resigning bonus the first year. And you would get the retention bonus every year after that. The pay scale (as always) is based on years with the company, not in the position.

You're usually pretty good with numbers, KSU, but you really mixed it up this time. If someone were to stay till 6.5 years using the scenerio you laid out, they would have received in the neighborhood of $15,000 in retention bonus money (before taxes, obviously.)

That is not how the memo reads. The memo specifically states that you are not eligible for a bonus if you are under a training contract unless you sign on for two years than you can get a 5% signing bonus.