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shuttlepilot

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I've only been at AT a short time so I don't know any of the candidates that are up for election for the two vacated positions. But only 1 has put his position on the NPA's website.
How about the rest put theirs on the site so we newbies can make a better choice when the elections start?
You don't have a number or e-mail up so this is the only way I can try to reach you guys.
Hope you read Flightinfo.....
 
But only 1 has put his position on the NPA's website.

I hope everyone reads that position paper from JS and realizes just how dangerous his ideas are. If this guy gets elected, we're in real trouble. Just a few of the major issues:

1. He wants to stop using all services provided by ALPA. I don't want to get into a debate about whether we need to join ALPA, but whether you want ALPA on property or not, you can't operate a successful in-house union without a services agreement with ALPA. There's a reason that every major independent union in this industry contract with ALPA for various services. You simply can't do it all yourself. Getting rid of ALPA services would be extremely detrimental to this pilot group, especially in the area of negotiations.

2. He wants to cut the union budget virtually in half. We already need to be putting away more money for a strike fund; we certainly shouldn't be cutting anything. Cutting the budget and dues revenue during times of negotiations is pure insanity.

3. He wants to cut back on staff, but still thinks he and the other Officers could continue to keep current on the line. This is ridiculous. For starters, the President of a 1600 pilot union shouldn't be wasting time by flying the line regularly. I want him in the office and down in Orlando doing the work of the pilots. Second, if you did try to keep flying, you certainly can't do that while at the same time keeping a skeleton staff.

4. He wants to remove us from the mediation process as outline by the RLA. I don't even think this is legally possible, but it certainly isn't advisable. Mediation is a step on the way to self help, and self help is our only leverage in negotiations. Taking a step back further reduces our leverage and puts more power in the hands of management. This is horrible strategy.


Sorry for the rant, but this guy scares the crap out of me. Think this election through very carefully. Don't just vote for your buddy, or for the guy who's been here the longest. Vote for the guy with the smart plan.
 
Have any of the candidates come out and said they are pro-ALPA?

Not that I know of, but we haven't seen position papers from anyone other than JS yet.
 
part of the concern with our past reps were the opinion that they were out of touch since none of them were actively flying at all. I think they ought to do a trip a month just to keep their hand on the pulse 0f the pilot group.

RV
 
part of the concern with our past reps were the opinion that they were out of touch since none of them were actively flying at all. I think they ought to do a trip a month just to keep their hand on the pulse 0f the pilot group.

RV

Every block hour that the President flies is a wasted hour. It does absolutely nothing to help him keep a pulse on the pilot group. What is much better time spent is simply hanging out in the crew lounge and talking with the crews as they come in and out. Actually flying around does absolutely nothing but waste time. The President needs to be a full-time rep not concerned with having to study to stay current or keep his Jepps up to date so the company can't send someone after him to line check him every time he flies. The President's time should be 100% devoted to representing the interests of the pilot group. Flying an airplane shouldn't be on his list of priorities while he's in office.
 
How is the election won? Do you need a majority (51%), or whoever gets the most votes is declared president?
 
Every block hour that the President flies is a wasted hour. It does absolutely nothing to help him keep a pulse on the pilot group. What is much better time spent is simply hanging out in the crew lounge and talking with the crews as they come in and out. Actually flying around does absolutely nothing but waste time. The President needs to be a full-time rep not concerned with having to study to stay current or keep his Jepps up to date so the company can't send someone after him to line check him every time he flies. The President's time should be 100% devoted to representing the interests of the pilot group. Flying an airplane shouldn't be on his list of priorities while he's in office.

That is right...

Would you rather have a rep in the crewroom for four or five hours talking to everyone that goes thru or one guy for four legs at FL350?
 
Is this JS the same JS that's on "the list"? If so, it would certainly explain his desire to keep ALPA out of here.
 
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Is this JS the same JS that's on "the list"? If so, it would certainly explain his desire to keep ALPA out of here.

I don't know. Someone pointed that out to me earlier today. It would be interesting to find out if it's the same JS.
 
Do you mean the J.S. EAL 89 emp# 78558 on the JUMPSAET PROTECTION LIST? Regardless of your feelings toward ALPA, this ought to cause some serious concerns when considering a UNION presidential bid.
 
The most votes = winner.

Usually we can't get over 50% of the pilots to vote!

Actually, in order to win the election, a candidate must get more than 50% of the votes cast in the election. If no single candidate gets more than 50% of the votes cast, then their will be a runoff between the 2 candidates with the most votes received. In the runoff, a simple majority of votes cast wins.

No plurality votes here.
 
Do you mean the J.S. EAL 89 emp# 78558 on the JUMPSAET PROTECTION LIST? Regardless of your feelings toward ALPA, this ought to cause some serious concerns when considering a UNION presidential bid.


That's the one I saw...not positive it's the same guy. I'd say it's probably a good bet though.
 
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The scabs are already deeply entrenched in the chief pilots office and the training(checking) dept. Let's not surrender our union to them as well. We ought to be working toward ending their reign of terror as management pilots with some good strong contract language that says "not on the AirTran pilot seniority list, then don't let the door hit you in the a$$ on the way out!"
 
It bothers me there's no candidates in the 69 numbers on up. It seems the pulse of this airline lately has been from the folks hired in the last 6 years or so. You would think they would be interested in turning this thing around. I'd rather see someone with fresh ideas and prior union experience from a former ALPA carrier that doesn't have AT/VJ management ties dating back a decade. Just my $.02
 
I'd rather see someone with fresh ideas and prior union experience from a former ALPA carrier that doesn't have AT/VJ management ties dating back a decade. Just my $.02

Many former ALPA elected reps work here, including two former MEC Chairmen, but I have yet to talk to even one that is interested in getting involved as long as the NPA is in place.
 
Have any of the candidates come out and said they are pro-ALPA?
I believe Michael Pons has, but he's likely not going to be on the ballot, you'd have to choose him as a write-in.

There are 5 nominees, the top 2 pilots receiving the most nominations will be on the ballot, the rest eligible as write-ins.

It's more than likely going to come down to a battle between JS and MB. Drastically different positions as well...

Will be interesting to see what happens, especially since I'm awaiting System Board and grievance and we don't even have System Board pilots appointed - one was recalled and the other quit.
 
I believe Michael Pons has, but he's likely not going to be on the ballot, you'd have to choose him as a write-in.

There are 5 nominees, the top 2 pilots receiving the most nominations will be on the ballot, the rest eligible as write-ins.

It's more than likely going to come down to a battle between JS and MB. Drastically different positions as well...

Will be interesting to see what happens, especially since I'm awaiting System Board and grievance and we don't even have System Board pilots appointed - one was recalled and the other quit.

All 5 persons nominated will be on the ballot. If any of them receive more than 50% of the votes cast, they win, period. If no candidate receives more than 50% of the votes cast, there will be a runoff between the 2 candidates receiving the most votes. In the runoff, a simple majority of votes cast wins.
 
I stand corrected.

Had asked one of the BoD members and they indicated that, like ALPA, only the top 2 nominees would appear on the ballot.

What I guess he meant is that, like you said, there might be 2 elections, one to determine the top 2 if no one gets 50% +1, then another run-off between the top 2.

Interesting way to do it...
 

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