ASA Strike center update

[79%N1]

Yea, I was wondering the same thing. Not to smear the guys working and fighting for us out there....but, why did they take the time to put out information specifically refuting what management said, and labeling it something completely different. One of three things must be true...
1. The Union did not know or was unsure or the meaning of the meeting on Wed.
2. The Union intentionally lied about the meaning.
3. The intention of the meeting changed sometime after they put out that email.

Seeing as management put out their information first and ALPA put out a memo to refute that makes me wonder jut what the heck is going on.....

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I would venture to guess that the NMB had something to do with that.

If you really have an issue with what Dave, Nick and the team are doing, get involved. There is not some evil conspiracy over on Norman Berry Drive. They are doing their best with what resources they have.

 

[Texx]

The company said it was going to be negotaitions, but the union said it was just a meeting with the NMB. I guess the evil company was right. How dare they tell the truth.

The conversation between the NMB and both parties was that the NMB would like to meet with them in ATL on Wed. the 26th. Nothing was said about neg.

How dare you spin the facts....

 

[79%N1]

Come on...I don't buy that. So it was a surprise negotiation session that the NMB sprung on us after telling us it was simply a meeting with the NMB! No way. It takes both sides time to prepare for a session and to get the proper people and pieces in place.
The fact is, the company announced it was negotiations,and the union specifically refuted that by saying this was not negotiations, but was simply a meeting with the NMB. That leads me to think that they were then unprepared to hold negotiations.

 

[Richard Gozinya]

Management will show just enough movement to keep the NMB off their backs.....

This is the key to it all here. The company is not negotiating with anyone but the mediators. They will only move enough to ensure 3 more months of "negotiations". They show up prepared for what they want to talk about, and how far they want to go. All of it is eyewash. When the company wants this done, it will get done. Not a minute earlier

Dick Gozinya

 

[Cpt Oveur]

I'm sure the CNC was prepared to negotiate, give them some credit. Might not have been on the agenda, but they've been working very hard for the ASA pilots. I think Gozinya is dead on where as long as the company shows a little bit of movement, we are not going to get released.

 

[www.]

Come on...I don't buy that. So it was a surprise negotiation session that the NMB sprung on us after telling us it was simply a meeting with the NMB! No way. It takes both sides time to prepare for a session and to get the proper people and pieces in place.
The fact is, the company announced it was negotiations,and the union specifically refuted that by saying this was not negotiations, but was simply a meeting with the NMB. That leads me to think that they were then unprepared to hold negotiations.

You know very little on how the NMB works.

The NMB plans a one day meeting to talk to both side to see if there has been any change of heart by either party. If either party shows a possibility of movement then it is in the interest of the NMB to try to get both side to move. At that point it turns into a "negotiation". The "intent" was not to have a session. If it was, why wouldn't the NMB sechdule more than 1 day.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Who cares what it was labelled. Meeting or Negotiation. Plus, how can anybody believe the union is not ready to negotiation on the drop of a hat? This has been their jobs for the last 5 years.

Quit splitting hairs.

 

[HoserASA]

The company said it was going to be negotaitions, but the union said it was just a meeting with the NMB. I guess the evil company was right. How dare they tell the truth.

Moron.

Hoser

 

[HoserASA]

2. The Union intentionally lied about the meaning.
.....

Moron #2 .

Hoser

 

[HoserASA]

The conversation between the NMB and both parties was that the NMB would like to meet with them in ATL on Wed. the 26th. Nothing was said about neg.

How dare you spin the facts....

Moron #3...oh wait, you're right!

Hoser

 

[79%N1]

Call me a name if you like....childish, but that is ok.
You forget, I said it was one of three things possibly, and you chose to quote one reason and call me out.

My point is this. Our union leaders took time to specifically state that this was indeed not a negotiation session, but simply a meeting with the NMB, and even stated do not listen to management, as they are misleading us by stating this was a negotiation session ----- which is exactly what it was! You know it, and I know it! I am far ftom pro management, and even farther from anti-union. I simply am trying to figure out why they either didn't know the true intention of the meeting on the 26th, or they intentionally or unintentionally misled us in their communication. One of those has to be true! They either didn't know, or didn't say. My only problem with the second is they took time to refute managements claim that we had a negotiation session scheduled for the 26th. Why does that make me a moron?

Is it possible that hte NMB told management they were scheduling a negotiation and told ALPA leaders it was simply a meeting....I suppose, but I doubt it.

Ps. I didn't believe my second option of the union lying was the correct choice in my scenario, but merely showing that there were alternative reasons for those that believe that was the case!

 

[buscap]

Call me a name if you like....childish, but that is ok.
You forget, I said it was one of three things possibly, and you chose to quote one reason and call me out.

My point is this. Our union leaders took time to specifically state that this was indeed not a negotiation session, but simply a meeting with the NMB, and even stated do not listen to management, as they are misleading us by stating this was a negotiation session ----- which is exactly what it was! You know it, and I know it! I am far ftom pro management, and even farther from anti-union. I simply am trying to figure out why they either didn't know the true intention of the meeting on the 26th, or they intentionally or unintentionally misled us in their communication. One of those has to be true! They either didn't know, or didn't say. My only problem with the second is they took time to refute managements claim that we had a negotiation session scheduled for the 26th. Why does that make me a moron?

Is it possible that hte NMB told management they were scheduling a negotiation and told ALPA leaders it was simply a meeting....I suppose, but I doubt it.

Ps. I didn't believe my second option of the union lying was the correct choice in my scenario, but merely showing that there were alternative reasons for those that believe that was the case!

Hoser had it all wrong in his childish remark.

You are not a moron.

You are a ******************************.

 

[shamrock]

Who cares what it was labelled. Meeting or Negotiation.

Quit splitting hairs.

Just wanted to second that opinion.

 

[Medeco]

79%,

Did you read WWW's reponse?

Did in not make 100% sense to you?

You know that it was also said that they had no intention of moving, and that if a new date was called they probably would not go.

Now, what do you suppose would make them sit at the table all day and night, when they know they have made this statement on several occasions?

Maybe the NMB did exactly what WWW described. It makes good sense to me.

Bottom line is if we want a contract, then when the company decides to move on issues were demanding, then its the responsibility of the CNC to sit at the table and achieve what the pilot group wants. If they dont, then the NMB says we are being unreasonable and they park us forever.

Yes the company is inching along at a snails pace, but thats their job until they are held to the fire.

We fly safe.
The CNC does their job.

Plain and simple

Medeco