ASA Strike center update

[Cpt Oveur]

I'm sure the CNC was prepared to negotiate, give them some credit. Might not have been on the agenda, but they've been working very hard for the ASA pilots. I think Gozinya is dead on where as long as the company shows a little bit of movement, we are not going to get released.

 

[www.]

Come on...I don't buy that. So it was a surprise negotiation session that the NMB sprung on us after telling us it was simply a meeting with the NMB! No way. It takes both sides time to prepare for a session and to get the proper people and pieces in place.
The fact is, the company announced it was negotiations,and the union specifically refuted that by saying this was not negotiations, but was simply a meeting with the NMB. That leads me to think that they were then unprepared to hold negotiations.

You know very little on how the NMB works.

The NMB plans a one day meeting to talk to both side to see if there has been any change of heart by either party. If either party shows a possibility of movement then it is in the interest of the NMB to try to get both side to move. At that point it turns into a "negotiation". The "intent" was not to have a session. If it was, why wouldn't the NMB sechdule more than 1 day.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Who cares what it was labelled. Meeting or Negotiation. Plus, how can anybody believe the union is not ready to negotiation on the drop of a hat? This has been their jobs for the last 5 years.

Quit splitting hairs.

 

[HoserASA]

The company said it was going to be negotaitions, but the union said it was just a meeting with the NMB. I guess the evil company was right. How dare they tell the truth.

Moron.

Hoser

 

[HoserASA]

2. The Union intentionally lied about the meaning.
.....

Moron #2 .

Hoser

 

[HoserASA]

The conversation between the NMB and both parties was that the NMB would like to meet with them in ATL on Wed. the 26th. Nothing was said about neg.

How dare you spin the facts....

Moron #3...oh wait, you're right!

Hoser

 

[79%N1]

Call me a name if you like....childish, but that is ok.
You forget, I said it was one of three things possibly, and you chose to quote one reason and call me out.

My point is this. Our union leaders took time to specifically state that this was indeed not a negotiation session, but simply a meeting with the NMB, and even stated do not listen to management, as they are misleading us by stating this was a negotiation session ----- which is exactly what it was! You know it, and I know it! I am far ftom pro management, and even farther from anti-union. I simply am trying to figure out why they either didn't know the true intention of the meeting on the 26th, or they intentionally or unintentionally misled us in their communication. One of those has to be true! They either didn't know, or didn't say. My only problem with the second is they took time to refute managements claim that we had a negotiation session scheduled for the 26th. Why does that make me a moron?

Is it possible that hte NMB told management they were scheduling a negotiation and told ALPA leaders it was simply a meeting....I suppose, but I doubt it.

Ps. I didn't believe my second option of the union lying was the correct choice in my scenario, but merely showing that there were alternative reasons for those that believe that was the case!

 

[buscap]

Call me a name if you like....childish, but that is ok.
You forget, I said it was one of three things possibly, and you chose to quote one reason and call me out.

My point is this. Our union leaders took time to specifically state that this was indeed not a negotiation session, but simply a meeting with the NMB, and even stated do not listen to management, as they are misleading us by stating this was a negotiation session ----- which is exactly what it was! You know it, and I know it! I am far ftom pro management, and even farther from anti-union. I simply am trying to figure out why they either didn't know the true intention of the meeting on the 26th, or they intentionally or unintentionally misled us in their communication. One of those has to be true! They either didn't know, or didn't say. My only problem with the second is they took time to refute managements claim that we had a negotiation session scheduled for the 26th. Why does that make me a moron?

Is it possible that hte NMB told management they were scheduling a negotiation and told ALPA leaders it was simply a meeting....I suppose, but I doubt it.

Ps. I didn't believe my second option of the union lying was the correct choice in my scenario, but merely showing that there were alternative reasons for those that believe that was the case!

Hoser had it all wrong in his childish remark.

You are not a moron.

You are a ******************************.

 

[shamrock]

Who cares what it was labelled. Meeting or Negotiation.

Quit splitting hairs.

Just wanted to second that opinion.

 

[Medeco]

79%,

Did you read WWW's reponse?

Did in not make 100% sense to you?

You know that it was also said that they had no intention of moving, and that if a new date was called they probably would not go.

Now, what do you suppose would make them sit at the table all day and night, when they know they have made this statement on several occasions?

Maybe the NMB did exactly what WWW described. It makes good sense to me.

Bottom line is if we want a contract, then when the company decides to move on issues were demanding, then its the responsibility of the CNC to sit at the table and achieve what the pilot group wants. If they dont, then the NMB says we are being unreasonable and they park us forever.

Yes the company is inching along at a snails pace, but thats their job until they are held to the fire.

We fly safe.
The CNC does their job.

Plain and simple

Medeco

 

[outtahere]

It was in fact not a negotiation, we were there to hold the mediator, and board members hands and stroke their ego, and ask again to please put a time table out so that our mgmt has to negotiate. While this was going on the company wanted to talk some and try and see if we could agree on a few things, which as I understand it we did, but I was promised first hand that we would not be moving south any longer, and I believe that to be true.

 

[79%N1]

Med...

I agree with you 100%. I agree with the strategy of our union 100%. My reply was to many who have wondered why the misinformation from ALPA initially, and sorry if you disagree with how I lable it. They said this was not a negotiation, but just a meeting with the NMB, and yet it was. So, was ALPA misinformed by the NMB, or maybe they mistakenly misled us in their communications. At any rate, I didn't say I believe they lied. I said there were a couple options as to what happened. What www. said is probably true. I just wish ALPA hadn't been so adamant to tell us this was just simply a meeting, maybe they didn't want us to get our hopes up.

 

[Medeco]

Dude your still missing the point.

For ALPA, this was not a planned negotiation.

For the company, who have known they had plans on moving on issues , it was a negotiation.

The NMB calls the company, and asks "have you had any change in heart?" Because, we(NMB) would like to meet and discuss were we (NMB) are at this time.

Company, says HMMM, uhh, maybe we have, come on down and we'll let yah know.

NMB calls ALPA, and asks the same thing. ALPA says no, we have no intention on moving, but we certain would like to hear what you(NMB) have to say about were we stand.

They show up, and WHATTAYAH KNOW!

Medeco

 

[79%N1]

Ok. Got your point. I'll buy it. I stand corrected, even though my belief was never any wrong doing by our union no matter what hoser thinks. Just trying to offer ideas.

 

[Texx]

Moron #3...oh wait, you're right!

Hoser

Did you ever clean up the coffee off the keyboard?

 

[HoserASA]

Did you ever clean up the coffee off the keyboard?

Nah, I was at the hotel. Let the maids do it. :nuts:

Hoser

 

[HoserASA]

Ok. Got your point. I'll buy it. I stand corrected, even though my belief was never any wrong doing by our union no matter what hoser thinks. Just trying to offer ideas.

2. The Union intentionally lied about the meaning.

Ideas! YGTBSM man! Have you ever talked with your union officials? Do you even know who they are? You may have flown with them in the past. Do you know how hard they work on our, the ASA pilots, behalf? Do you know how frustrating it is for our CNC having to put up with this company's bullcrap?

So you say the union never do any wrong doing? Yet you imply they intentionally lied about this issue. That's what pissed me off, and others! You obviously posted how you really felt, maybe you still do, and now you're trying to deny it. Doesn't fly my friend. You need to get the facts before you accuse our representatives of something you know nothing about. All you needed to do was call the strike center and ask. Do it next time before you post.

Hoser

 

[HoserASA]

duplicate post.

 

[79%N1]

Yes sir. I will.