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Big Slick

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House votes to raise pilot retirement to 65

By Julie Johnsson
Chicago Tribune
September 20, 2007

Airline pilots fighting to keep flying into their 60s won a key victory Thursday when the U.S. House of Representatives voted to raise the mandatory retirement age for commercial pilots to age 65 from 60.
The proposal is part of a sweeping bill that would authorize $68 billion for the Federal Aviation Administration over the next four years, funding that would be used to revamp the nation's aging air-traffic-control system and overhaul airports.
A provision that would raise pilots' retirement age is also in the FAA reauthorization bill pending before the U.S. Senate.
However, the measure is a long ways from becoming law.
The new retirement age could be stripped out of the bills as they wind through the lawmaking process. And the White House has threatened for other reasons to veto the version that the House approved 267-151. That vote total is less than the two-thirds majority needed to override a veto.
'We're over another hurdle and on to the next hurdle,' said Paul Emens, 59, a Southwest Airlines captain who is chairman of Airline Pilots Against Age Discrimination, a group that advocates changing the retirement age for pilots.
After decades supporting a rule requiring commercial airline pilots to retire by their 60th birthday, the FAA earlier this year signaled that it now supports raising the retirement age to 65, the standard adopted by the authority that sets rules for international aviation.
'It's time to close the book on age 60,' former FAA Administrator Marion Blakey said in a Jan. 30 speech. 'The retirement age for pilots needs to be raised.' Blakey stepped down from her post last week.
The issue has deeply divided pilots and their unions. It pits younger pilots eager to gain the seniority that brings better pay and choice assignments against older pilots who, in many cases, want to keep working to offset retirement benefits that were scuttled by carriers in bankruptcy.
Also fighting the measure are pilots reaching retirement age at carriers like American Airlines, which avoided bankruptcy and preserved its employees pensions. Those counting on retiring at age 60 don't want to see their benefits reduced.
Others contend that pilots in their 60s aren't able to rebound from jet lag and fatigue as easily as younger colleagues.
'For us, it's a no-brainer,' said Gregg Overman, spokesman for the Allied Pilots Association, an independent union that represents American Airline pilots. 'As far as we're concerned, age 60 should continue to serve as a highly effective safety regulation.'
Since November 2006, federal authorities have allowed pilots up to the age of 65 at foreign carriers to fly aircraft in the U.S., even though pilots at domestic airlines are prohibited from doing so.
That inconsistency is infuriating to pilots who wish to extend their careers and spurred a raft of legislation in Congress. At least five bills introduced in the House or Senate this session have provisions that would raise pilots' retirement age to the international standard.
The FAA reauthorization bills present the best hope of a legislative solution to pilots seeking relief from current retirement rules, insiders say.
But it could take months for Congress and the White House to agree on compromise language. In that time, as many as 600 pilots will be forced to retire, said Emens, who's lobbying the House to pass the new retirement age as a stand-alone provision. 'We're fighting for the careers of people who are at risk,' he said.



"We're fighting for the careers of people who are at risk"
Any pithy come-backs to this statement?
 
Does the Constitution have age discrimination? It states you have to be older than 34 to be President of the United States. That is age discrimination too. Should we change the Constitution for Mr. Emens? I think he would want us to.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Paul Emens is an A number one prick. I've met him on more than one occassion and that man is confrontational and arrogant. I can only hope that the age change comes AFTER September 2008.

Gup
 
BC will be gone in October, I'm just hoping for that one. P. Emens I'm afraid will make the cut. Maybe he wants to go hunting.
 
Does the Constitution have age discrimination? It states you have to be older than 34 to be President of the United States. That is age discrimination too. Should we change the Constitution for Mr. Emens? I think he would want us to.


Bye Bye--General Lee

While we are at it, lets remove the age discrimination for voting (18), driving (16), and drinking (21). Think of all the new revenue the states and local goverments would get by passing out DUI's to 10 year olds. Perhaps we could lower taxes then.

FS
 
Does the Constitution have age discrimination? It states you have to be older than 34 to be President of the United States. That is age discrimination too. Should we change the Constitution for Mr. Emens? I think he would want us to.


Bye Bye--General Lee

you can't use the argument that one mandatory retirement age is discriminatory and that ANOTHER mandatory age is not. it's absolute stupidity.
 
A bit off topic...Go PACKERS! It's truly a shame to see a F.I.B. living in Wisconsin ;)


i work in wisconsin, but live in illinois. da bears! da white sox! cubs suck! da bulls! da hawks (wirtz must die or sell)! da fire (vive cuahtemoc)!
 
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if they say age 60 is discrimination, then why isn't 65 discrimination? double standard. if these guys really wanted to do away with "age discrimination" among airline pilots then have no retirement age at all.
 
65 is just as bad. Hey man. I don't blame them. They are at the top of their earnings game. Why quit now when most have the bidding horsepower to do what they want and make bank doing it.

Just be honest about your motives.

Gup
 
Caution!...

One pilot's opinion of Paul Emens does not define him, nor his legacy...especially in as controversial an arena as seniority (talk about motive). As far as I am aware, he has worked steadfastly on this one issue for at least 15 years, probably longer. I don't know of many pilots who are willing to put forth that kind of effort to change this rule, especially when in their early forties or even younger. Please don't take one person's statement to define the person or his character.
 
Hey Prussian.

I didn't say PE wasn't a diehard advocate of change. The man has fought relentlessly for this change for many many years and should be commended for his tenasity. What I said about him was he is a prick and antagonistic. THAT can't be debated.

Hope that clears things up.

Gup
 
Hi Gup...

I still disagree with your characterization of him (still just one opinion), and would like to leave it at that.

Prussian
 
Here is anothers opinion, he is an arrogant prick. Just if it does change I hope it will be the day after he retires, if not he'll be pushin for 70. the good news is that we will lose another arrogant arse early next month in Dal
 
There ought to be a membership list

Is this floating around?

The funny thing is if these geezers get their wish, they'll work themselves to death and be outlived by some on the FAMOUS list.
 
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I've met him on more than one occassion and that man is confrontational and arrogant.

I whole heartedly disagree. I have know Paul for 25 years and he is a very dedicated passionate guy. He has worked tirelessly for the Pilot groups for much of his career, long before becomming a champion for the age 60. Perhaps a little time getting to know somebody besides a little a/c change chat would soften your view to show you that he and many others paved the road to your current situation
 
You are hiding behind anonymity do you have the balls to post YOUR real name on this board?

Um, what is YOUR name and employee number, Mr Ballsy?

GMAFB, I post with my real name on the union web site just like he does.

I have not said or written anything I'm ashamed of, but the point of these boards is that I can speak out without fear of retribution or intimidation, which PE and his buds have done before.

What I do have is the brains to know that PE is well connected and he can (and would) make my life difficult ...

Even hiding behind the same mask of anonymity that you use I would never be as rude or condensending as Captain Emens is in person. Do not get me started on Captain Peters.

I'm sorry this offends you. But even lowly FOs can have opinions and in the internet age we have a place to express them. There is another point of view in this debate and the only way it can be heard is with the anonymity provided by the internet. It is easy to be "ballsy" when you have all the power in a given situation, isn't it?
 
Um, what is YOUR name and employee number, Mr Ballsy?

GMAFB, I post with my real name on the union web site just like he does.

I have not said or written anything I'm ashamed of, but the point of these boards is that I can speak out without fear of retribution or intimidation, which PE and his buds have done before.

What I do have is the brains to know that PE is well connected and he can (and would) make my life difficult ...

Even hiding behind the same mask of anonymity that you use I would never be as rude or condensending as Captain Emens is in person. Do not get me started on Captain Peters.

I'm sorry this offends you. But even lowly FOs can have opinions and in the internet age we have a place to express them. There is another point of view in this debate and the only way it can be heard is with the anonymity provided by the internet. It is easy to be "ballsy" when you have all the power in a given situation, isn't it?

Can't say that I didn't see this post coming.

To answer your question; if I post someone's name on a board I use MY real name. If you want to vent under the cover of anonymity that's fine but if you attack someone personally (using their real name) use yours. Even if I knew your name I wouldn't use it publicly unless I used mine.

Clear enough?
 
I get your point BFB. I doubt any of us would slander an innocent victim on these boards.

Read any press release with APAAD's name on it. Whose name do you see?

Gup
 
you can't use the argument that one mandatory retirement age is discriminatory and that ANOTHER mandatory age is not. it's absolute stupidity.

My thoughts exactly.

The group should be called "Airline Pilots that have too many bills and ex-wives for Age 65" not "Airline Pilots Against Age Discrimination".....that makes no sense.
 
Nice one MegaDeth.

Instead of "Airline Pilots Against Age Discrimination" they should be called.........

"Crusty Captains Against Furloughee Recall"
"Salty Captains Against FO Upgrade"
"Old Captains With Alimony Out the A$$"
"Broke Captains (Formerly: FOs Without Financial Planning)"


Any others?
 
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Nice one MegaDeath.

Instead of "Airline Pilots Against Age Discrimination" they should be called.........

"Crusty Captains Against Furloughee Recall"
"Salty Captains Against FO Upgrade"
"Old Captains With Alimony Out the A$$"
"Broke Captains (Formerly: FOs Without Financial Planning)"


Any others?

Those are good.
 

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