ASA MEC job seminar September, with Air, Inc.

[AsaLossPaywAlpa]

ASA MEC job seminar September 15
and 25

:smash:ALPA trying to show they care? Bull Shilt. Why else support a job fair for people that already have a job?

I understand trying to help fellow pilots. Those that want to move on to Majors. But WTF is this crap. ASA fading away, as planned?

 

[601Pilot]

ASA MEC job seminar September 15
and 25

:smash:ALPA trying to show they care? Bull Shilt. Why else support a job fair for people that already have a job?

I understand trying to help fellow pilots. Those that want to move on to Majors. But WTF is this crap. ASA fading away, as planned?

hahahaha....we already have a $HITTY job, but most of us want a better job. I expect alot of cancelled flights those two days!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Anyone else see the irony here......

ALPA is telling the Skywest pilots that they need ALPA, while at the same time they are telling ASA pilots to leave.... even if it means leaving for a non-ALPA company......

ALPA job hunting seminar for ASA pilots..... FREE....

ALPA organization effort at Skywest.... Thousands of dollars....

ASA ALPA pilot using ALPA's free service to leave for Skywest....... PRICELESS......

 

[Medeco]

You sooo funnyy!




NOT!!!

 

[JoeMerchant]

You sooo funnyy!




NOT!!!

Actually none of this is very funny..... Do you have a good explanation as to why ALPA is telling the Skywest pilots that life will suck without ALPA, while simultaneously it tells the ASA ALPA pilots that it can't do anything for them but help them find another job.... even if it means leaving for a non-ALPA carrier? Kinda ironic don't ya think.....

 

[jegermeister]

I think it's a great idea. Everyone wins.

1. ALPA gets a chance to help it's members better them self, while at the same time putting pressure on the company.

2. I get to sharpen my resume before an interview with CAL, UAL, NWA, etc....

3. The company gets to reap some of the seeds they've sewn.

All in all it's a real home run.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I think it's a great idea. Everyone wins.

1. ALPA gets a chance to help it's members better them self, while at the same time putting pressure on the company.

2. I get to sharpen my resume before an interview with CAL, UAL, NWA, etc....

3. The company gets to reap some of the seeds they've sewn.

All in all it's a real home run.

1. It won't exactly instill confidence in ALPA with the Skywest pilots.... They have better job security WITHOUT ALPA....

2. It perpetuates the master/apprentice relationship that has been created... If these jobs continue to be "stepping stone" jobs, they will remain low cost jobs - with or without ALPA. If they remain low cost jobs, this will continue to put downward pressure on the coveted mainline jobs...

3. It doesn't exactly instill confidence in ALPA with the senior ASA ALPA members who have the most to lose and very little to gain with what is left on the table.... Are the senior ASA ALPA pilots expendable?

4. The company wants people to leave.... it lowers their costs which help it compete in the portfolio...

 

[TurboAWD]

The reason ALPA hosts events like this (they did the same thing at XJ) is that in the absence of a cooling-off period, attrition is one of the most powerful pieces of negotiations leverage ALPA has.

It is not contradictory to representing your pilots, quite the opposite actually. What it says is, your current job may be at ASA, but your career is that of professional pilot, and ALPA is here to help your entire career, not just this job.

Turbo

 

[AsaLossPaywAlpa]

Then why not before, today. Why not do this 3 years ago? 6 years ago? 6 months ago? 1 year ago?
So your reasoning is BS.
If they were concerned about me/you why not help us before.

 

[JoeMerchant]

The reason ALPA hosts events like this (they did the same thing at XJ) is that in the absence of a cooling-off period, attrition is one of the most powerful pieces of negotiations leverage ALPA has.

It is not contradictory to representing your pilots, quite the opposite actually. What it says is, your current job may be at ASA, but your career is that of professional pilot, and ALPA is here to help your entire career, not just this job.

Turbo

I might believe that if ALPA actually did something to allow us to transfer our seniority/longevity to the next job..... however unlike any other profession, we are forced to start all over again.... No other "profession" does that....

It also sends a message to the Skywest pilots.... We couldn't protect the ASA, ACA, ALG, CCAir, Mesaba, or CMR pilots, but you really need us....

Forget the Kit Darby sales pitch.... protect my job or allow me to make a lateral move.... until then I will continue to see ALPA for what it has become.... a total failure......

 

[FishandFly]

joe, I'm not an alpa freak, but your negativity is absurd.

How do you fail to recognize that the majority of pay, benefits, and work rules afforded to regional airlines as a whole is because of the negotiating of our union representation.

Without the fear of a united workforce, these corporations have zero reason or desire to make this a decent place.

 

[JoeMerchant]

joe, I'm not an alpa freak, but your negativity is absurd.

How do you fail to recognize that the majority of pay, benefits, and work rules afforded to regional airlines as a whole is because of the negotiating of our union representation.

Without the fear of a united workforce, these corporations have zero reason or desire to make this a decent place.

Exactly FishandFly....see we agree more than you think...... The problem is we (ALPA/airline pilots) are not a "united workforce"..... If we were we wouldn't be competing with each other for flying.... Just think what we could do if we were truly "united"....

The fact is, the Skywest pilots have it better than most union regionals, and we are not a unified workforce..... Time for ALPA to get with the times....

 

[FishandFly]

The fact that all airline pilots are not a united workforce is irrelevant. I agree that it likely would have been better over the course of history if all were united, but since that is not the case, we must deal with what we have.

Arguing that we would be better off in a perfect world does not take away from the fact that unions have played a significant role in the pursuit of this being a decent job.

Take ASA. This company's corporate mentality sucks, and they would much rather have the lowest paid and least benefited employee group in aviation because they lack the ability to see past the expense half of ac income statement.

You mention Skywest deceivingly. Do they have decent work rules and pay? Yes. But you miss the point completely if you fail to ask why.

Take a look at this:
http://asacontract.com/pa/documents/Contract_4.XLS

Notice that Skywest is right in the mix with all of the other carriers.

Skywest management is faced with a need to fill their cockpits with pilots. Pay less than everyone else and they lose pilots and are unable to get newhires.

This is called "riding on the coattails of others"

 

[JoeMerchant]

The fact that all airline pilots are not a united workforce is irrelevant. I agree that it likely would have been better over the course of history if all were united, but since that is not the case, we must deal with what we have.

There you have it folks.... ALPA has failed as a union to unifiy us.... even the ALPA supporters admit it...

Even you admit that we aren't unitied.... I disagree that it is impossible for ALPA to unify us, but if it is impossible, then I am not interested in supporting ALPA....

Arguing that we would be better off in a perfect world does not take away from the fact that unions have played a significant role in the pursuit of this being a decent job.

So you admit that this is a "decent job".... what if some of us are interested in keeping our seniority at this "decent job"? Being senior at a "decent job" is much better than starting over again at the bottom of another "decent job".... something to think about....

Take ASA. This company's corporate mentality sucks, and they would much rather have the lowest paid and least benefited employee group in aviation because they lack the ability to see past the expense half of ac income statement.

The regional model in this fee-for-departure competition is based on cheap costs.... A regional with all 18 year pilots can't compete with a Mesa with 1-5 year pilots.... The model isn't designed for people to hang around and that benefits management.... It makes more sense for ASA pilots to move on after a certain time so that they can be replaced by cheaper pilots..... The scary thing is that some of you don't understand that....

 

[frapper]

The reason ALPA hosts events like this (they did the same thing at XJ) is that in the absence of a cooling-off period, attrition is one of the most powerful pieces of negotiations leverage ALPA has.

It is not contradictory to representing your pilots, quite the opposite actually. What it says is, your current job may be at ASA, but your career is that of professional pilot, and ALPA is here to help your entire career, not just this job.

Turbo

Exactly! Someone can actually see the forest for the trees -- very nice.

All you others never cease to amaze me! Y'all must be an absolute treat to fly with!