ASA Thread Du Jour 09/04/07

[XPOO]

I'm sure Uncle Jerry is just "DYING" to reward his worst performing airline. And I did take the time to look it up, SkyWest 1809 flights a day, ASA 869 flights a day. Sorry for low-balling on the ASA flights.

 

[Long Time Gone]

Here's the answer.......

On Time Arrival ATL - 67.3%

On Time Arrival System - 67.9%

 

[XPOO]

SKW -

ATL On-Time ARR 14 - 91.8%, Completion 100.0%
System On-Time ARR 14 - 89.7%, Completion 99.6%

 

[CheeseDick]

Yeah but everyone at SkyWest is happy...we have the sweet BHO & a 1% raise...as long as you sign up for the barbie jet!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

OK...I have to apologize to any and all Dispatchers I may have offended with my comments previously. I stooped to a level that I shouldn't have, and made fun of a group of coworkers that are invaluable to an airline operation.

For any other Dispatchers out there, please accept my apology. Personal notes were already sent to Walter and XPOO.

 

[Long Time Gone]

Current numbers are.....

On Time Arrival ATL - 71%

On Time Arrival System - 71.3%

 

[ASARJMan]

This forum used to be fun and informative but now it's just an ASA bitch-fest and it's getting old.

Quit reading it then, and go f@#& yourself while you're at it! You can try to stir the ASA pilots up all you want, but we know what we have to do, and we're doing it. If you get hurt because of it, tough shet!

 

[WalterSobchak]

If you get hurt because of it, tough shet!

And you wonder why other workgroups and the public have so little sympathy for pilot groups...

 

[CFI2766]

And you wonder why other workgroups and the public have so little sympathy for pilot groups...

I think you've got it wrong. The other workgroups and the the flying public have NO sympathy for the pilot group at the airline of their (expedia/travelocity/super-duper low fare site, driven) choice.

The flying public simply wants low fares, pilots (and other work groups) be d@mned. I.E.: Skybus, Ryan Air, etc...

If the pilots don't stick up for themselves, it will be their (and other workgroups) QOL and pay that will be sacrificed to fund the low fares.

Do ya' really think that Management will accept lower margins to have a 'happy, productive workforce' when they can have higher margins with a CHEAP, productive workforce? Note, ALL the workgroups at the airline are included in the 'workforce'. Including those who dispatch.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not throwing a barb at dispatch. In fact, it's essential for all of our best interest that we work together, ASA folks with ASA folks, for the good of the entire workforce.

 

[ASARJMan]

And you wonder why other workgroups and the public have so little sympathy for pilot groups...

Don't really care ya know. The RLA favors mgt and allows them to get away with way too much.

 

[Tarzan]

I'm sure Uncle Jerry is just "DYING" to reward his worst performing airline. And I did take the time to look it up, SkyWest 1809 flights a day, ASA 869 flights a day. Sorry for low-balling on the ASA flights.

Funny about performance vs. money made. ASA has half the flights but makes just as much money. And for every dollar spent, Jerry gets around $0.12 of profit. I failed to see SW make that list for best profit margins.

 

[Jmoney]

Keep on..

Current numbers are.....

On Time Arrival ATL - 71%

On Time Arrival System - 71.3%

You can keep on posting these bogus numbers all you want. They have no bearing on reality. Our latest DOT stats we about 53% -during the month they account for, you could not go to our ASA and see any number less than 70%.

Funny how easy it is for these guys to lie when there is no penalty-they have no legal obligation to make the numbers on the company website match any version of reality. These are totally made up.

I would say our actual on time was under 40%-Just wait until the DOT publishes the official numbers!

 

[XPOO]

Funny about performance vs. money made. ASA has half the flights but makes just as much money. And for every dollar spent, Jerry gets around $0.12 of profit. I failed to see SW make that list for best profit margins.

you're right, SkyWest was making $30M/Qtr. in profit long before ASA showed up, but I guess it's ASA keeping us afloat now. Thanks for shedding light on my nearsightedness.

 

[duck_killer]

Stifler's mom. Your post count is impressive.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Stifler's mom. Your post count is impressive.

Oh ********************. Check that out. I wonder how many hours of my life I have wasted on this crack-whore website?

Commuting into a crashpad, along with free internet at hotels has caused me to turn into an addict on FI.

 

[shamrock]

bump.

 

[siucavflight]

Whats this about?

 

[OpsCheckGood]

I'm sorry, but I have to agree with the POO. Who would actually want to fly the airplanes, when you could dominate the keyboards all day from a completely safe, air conditioned room. Level five storms approaching? Not a problem....that view never changes. Fire? head towards the nearest exit.....that room isnt moving a 5 miles a minute. Rapid depress at night in IMC? not here at flight level 7th floor.......Thanks POO , You truly are the man behind the curtain

 

[homerjdispatch]

I'm sorry, but I have to agree with the POO. Who would actually want to fly the airplanes, when you could dominate the keyboards all day from a completely safe, air conditioned room. Level five storms approaching? Not a problem....that view never changes. Fire? head towards the nearest exit.....that room isnt moving a 5 miles a minute. Rapid depress at night in IMC? not here at flight level 7th floor.......Thanks POO , You truly are the man behind the curtain

YES HE IS!

 

[Speedtape]

The way I see it, any moron with $10 can get on here and post. I'll use you as exhibit A.

Exhibit A, your previous statement, and the fact that you spent $10, proves your self-indicting point!

Moral to the story: You certainly don't have to be a pilot to be a Moron!

You should spend more time trying to pick the correct runway on the TLR, choosing the correct altitude for direction of flight, and answering the phone when your services are required!

 

[homerjdispatch]

Cant we all just get along....

Exhibit A, your previous statement, and the fact that you spent $10, proves your self-indicting point!

Moral to the story: You certainly don't have to be a pilot to be a Moron!

You should spend more time trying to pick the correct runway on the TLR, choosing the correct altitude for direction of flight, and answering the phone when your services are required!

I am pretty sure XPOO was here before he had to spill out $10 to look at this website!

You should spend more time looking at the release and knowing the weather you are about to fly into, instead of reading USA today, or listening to your IPOD and making sure the gel in the hair is just right!....And my **** is bigger than yours... (sarcasm intended)

This pissing contest is just stupid! Pilots and Dispatchers should work on being a team and helping each other out. Bottom line is, in part 121 flying, we NEED each other to have a job. We are on the same team, why cant we act like it?

 

[buscap]

This pissing contest is just stupid! Pilots and Dispatchers should work on being a team and helping each other out. Bottom line is, in part 121 flying, we NEED each other to have a job. We are on the same team, why cant we act like it?[/quote]

Rodney King had it right!!!!

Can't we all just get along!!!!????

 

[WalterSobchak]

Ahh, this should be fun.

You should spend more time trying to pick the correct runway on the TLR

The release is a planning tool. We try to get it right everytime, but obviously, airport configurations can and do change between the time the release is built and takeoff/touchdown. The FAA OIS Airport Metrics screen helps alot.

If the runway chosen is NOTAM'd OTS...then your dispatcher is an idiot and not paying attention. Call and force the change.

The flight is only released when you and the dispatcher are in agreement. By accepting the release "as-is" and catching something later...that's on you. So, like Homer said...READ YOUR RELEASE!

...choosing the correct altitude for direction of flight...

Depending on what flight planning/performance software your company uses, this may or may not be something that can be changed/toggled. Filed altitude is based on direction to first waypoint...you should know this by now. In most cases, we can't just change the altitude. (We could edit the strip manually when we filed it, but the performance data in the release is based on the filed altitude the computer came up with...which is, in turn, based on the parameters we tell it to run with)

Example - I received a call the other day where the captain was pissed that I filed him with an eastbound flight level when he was going south-southwest. Apparently, he "looked like an idiot" to ATC when picking up his clearance. Thing is, it was an ATC requested routing that we file everyday and the first waypoint was skirting to the east around a restricted area.

...and answering the phone when your services are required!

You've never visited your company's dispatch office, have you? We spend half our day on the phone. If we're not answering...we are likely on the other line. Or, trying to sneak a break.

Sure, we may be sitting in front of a computer all day (and, let's face it...take away the personal responsibility for the folks in the back and the moving along at 7 miles per minute...and you basically do the same thing). That said, we get about the same amount of breaks as you do. Therefore...when we think we can escape for a moment to eat, pee, smoke, cheat on our girlfriend, etc...we jump at it. Same as you jump at the chance to get outta the plane when you thought it was going to be a quick turnaround.

Quick Hits:

1. Yes, we do get alot of so-called "downtime"...but remember, we are also charged with keeping an eye on you, your position, and any hazards ahead.
2. Yes, there are crappy dispatchers amongst us. Just like there are crappy pilots. The ratio is about the same...just more noticable when there are alot fewer of us than there are of you.
3. Be nice to your dispatcher...your dispatcher will be nice to you. Be nasty to your dispatcher for things out of his/her control...and everything that IS within his/her control will be unleashed upon you. This applies to the jumpseat, as well. Sometimes we need to hitch a ride, sometimes we need to knock out our required observation time. Those who are nasty...are remembered.
4. Want a better flow time (applies only to offices that can actually negotiate such things...which disqualifies most regionals)?...A cancel in your favor?...Want out of that aircraft with half the plane deferred? See #3.
5. Yes, I am watching football...posting on FI.com...and flight following 12 flights...but I'm the exception to the rule. I'm just that damn good.

It's the little accusations of not knowing what we're doing, like this one, that make me wish that there was a required 5 hours as a "dispatch observer" attached to every captain upgrade...just like we have to do our 5 hours a year with you. Every pilot that comes in to our office (out of pure interest of what goes on in here) walks away with their questions answered and their ideas of what we do to keep it all together completely changed.

All in all, I don't think the supposed mutual hatred for one another really exists outside of the internets...but it's so damn easy to rip each other anonymously on this online black hole of crankiness that is FI.com. However, I don't think pilots understand what we do nearly as much as we understand what they do...and the lack of knowledge mixed with a few bad apples makes us easy targets.

If you don't know how we do things/come to certain decisions...ask questions or, better yet, visit your company's dispatch if you ever get an overnight in that city.

Now you know...and knowing is half the battle!

 

[WalterSobchak]

double post - disregard.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

It's the little accusations of not knowing what we're doing, like this one, that make me wish that there was a required 5 hours as a "dispatch observer" attached to every captain upgrade...just like we have to do our 5 hours a year with you.

Actually... that is a really good idea, as long as it's paid time, of course.

 

[COOPERVANE]

I've been saying for years that I would be willing to sit in screw scheduling/dispach for a day if they would shadow a reserve FO/CPT around for a day

Unpaid!!

 

[XPOO]

FmrFreightDog, you can come sit with me anytime. Eventhough we work for two seperate companies, I can at least show you how your company should be doing things! In dispatch, that is.