Is Mesaba still getting 9E CRJs? If so, why?

[MALSR]

Can someone explain to me why an ALPA carrier is taking jobs/airplanes away from another ALPA carrier. Or is this just another reason some consider ALPA to be worthless? What's the point of having a union in this case?

 

[Workin'Stiff]

It's been a while since I've been at XJ... But last time I checked, ALPA is not taking any aircraft from anyone... You may want to look Mother Northwest squarely in the eyes to find out the reason behind aircraft swapping...

 

[norskman2]

It's not really an ALPA issue. NWA's contract with PCL gave them the right to pull the 17 aircraft if certain operational performance criteria were not met. They weren't, and they did.

As for when/if the aircraft will actually go to XJ, here's some new scuttlebutt:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=102078&page=2

 

[MALSR]

It's been a while since I've been at XJ... But last time I checked, ALPA is not taking any aircraft from anyone... You may want to look Mother Northwest squarely in the eyes to find out the reason behind aircraft swapping...

That's BS. Why is the MEC at either airline excepting that? They don't except anything else imposed upon them without a fight- why should this be different.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Does your mom know you're on the computer again?

 

[Inconceivable]

That's BS. Why is the MEC at either airline excepting that? They don't except anything else imposed upon them without a fight- why should this be different.

The MEC has nothing to say about it. Nowhere in the contract for either carrier is a guarantee of airframes available to be flown.

Besides, a little negative growth for PCL might end the JMs and extensions...for about a minute.

 

[MALSR]

Besides, a little negative growth for PCL might end the JMs and extensions...for about a minute.

That just means that JMs will happen more at XJ now.

 

[AvroGuy]

From what I remeber, a lot of 9E guys were happy about it. Like Inconceivable said they may get a little break. Well I guess that will be until the 900 start showing up. As far as XJ, mgmt brought it upon themselves. Can you say fatiuge (sp?), i don't need to know how to spellit. I just need to know how to say it.

 

[OMG7778]

It's not really an ALPA issue. NWA's contract with PCL gave them the right to pull the 17 aircraft if certain operational performance criteria were not met. They weren't, and they did.

As for when/if the aircraft will actually go to XJ, here's some new scuttlebutt:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=102078&page=2

To clarify......what was stated in the new ASA was that if PCL did not reach a new agreement on a contract with the pilots by March 31, 2007, then NWA had the option to remove the 15 A/C from Pinnacle. Well, PCL pilots decided not to be pressured into accepting a crappy agreement and so NWA decided to excersise their option.

 

[saabservant]

Don't believe airplanes are going anywhere until you see them. The Mesaba training situation is a mess. No pilots to fly them!

 

[PinnacleDude]

ALPA is a HUGE help fighting our management. If Pinnacle loses the aircraft it will be completely the fault of Pinnacle Management. They have the money to pay us and won't. The Pinnacle pilots will not accept a substandard agreement. So there you have it.

In my opinion, if our planes go to another ALPA carrier that pays better, it only proves the point that it is not about pilot pay. It is about management greed. Mesaba, XJT, Eagle, Air Wisconsin, have at 'em.

P.S. Don't feel too bad for our management as they got a pile of cash from NWA for taking away the planes. Of course, they still won't pay us.

 

[~~~^~~~]

The MEC has nothing to say about it. Nowhere in the contract for either carrier is a guarantee of airframes available to be flown.

Then the question is, "Why not?" A union's first responsibility to its' members is job protection. However, few of ALPA's members ever ask their representatives to explain ALPA's complete and abhorrent failure to negotiate scope.

I still do not understand any union member writing "Yippie we are losing flying, helps with staffing, or this really shows management." As a union member I want nothing more than to see more union members on MY seniority list to develop and enjoy the power of unity. Unity is the point of a union.

 

[Inconceivable]

Then the question is, "Why not?"

Hard to do when you are a contract carrier. That would require terms in the ASA that NW is unlikely to agree to--ie locking them into a carrier.

 

[~~~^~~~]

NW is ALPA too. Work together.

ALPA needs to get over this mentality that only some jobs are work protecting. Scope should be used to build a real trade union by building strong scope across the brand.

 

[PinnacleDude]

NW is ALPA too. Work together.

ALPA needs to get over this mentality that only some jobs are work protecting. Scope should be used to build a real trade union by building strong scope across the brand.

Mesaba is in the same brand.

 

[Inconceivable]

I was referring to NW the airline, as in management, who would simply find another group of mexicans (regional airline) to come and mow their lawn.

 

[BoilerUP]

NW is ALPA too. Work together.

Like Delta did with Comair and ASA?

ALPA needs to get over this mentality that only some jobs are work protecting. Scope should be used to build a real trade union by building strong scope across the brand.

Agreed...but will it, can it, really happen that way?

 

[Spiritflight]

...who would simply find another group of mexicans (regional airline) to come and mow their lawn.

Now that is some funny shizzle....

 

[Papps]

I believe alpa would only get involved if 9e was on strike and NWA was giving that flying to another carrier. ALPA cant get rid of competition, that would be capitalism that you are talking about.

 

[PCL_128]

NW is ALPA too. Work together.

ALPA needs to get over this mentality that only some jobs are work protecting. Scope should be used to build a real trade union by building strong scope across the brand.

"The brand" has now become hard to define. Pinnacle is now starting to fly for another carrier, and Newco (Compass) has also entered the mix. If ALPA were to start scoping flying for the regionals, how would it be done? How would you divide the flying between the four carriers? Would PCL get less because they are no longer a "pure" red tail carrier? Does ALPA decide which size airplane that each feeder carrier gets scope for? Way too many issues there. Doing anything more than simply restricting NWA to their existing 3 feeder carriers would be very difficult and would probably create more animosity between carriers than it would solve.