NJ Typical Tour

[hawk2wp]

I know nothing is typical on a tour, but what day of the week does a tour start? end? Does it change? Can you trade weeks on/off? Can you work 14 on 14 off?

 

[fischman]

I know nothing is typical on a tour, but what day of the week does a tour start? end? Does it change? Can you trade weeks on/off? Can you work 14 on 14 off?

The start days depend on the fleet you are assigned. Each fleet has different start days to bid for. The tour ends after 7 days. For example, if your tour starts on Tuesday, you'll be home the following Monday.

The only way for your days to change is for training. The schedulers have to inform you by the 15th of the month prior and they can only slide your tour by 4 days.

You can not trade your duty days.

You can not work 14 on and 14 off. It is 7 on and 7 off.

Hope that helps.

 

[hawk2wp]

[You can not trade your duty days.

You can not work 14 on and 14 off. It is 7 on and 7 off.

Hope that helps.[/quote]

It does. Thank You Fishchman.
I would assume then if you extend your tour and work 9 days for the extra $ and/or to help out the company you are off for 5 days before your next tour? If home basing is in the near future at NJ, how close would you have to live near an airport and what might the qualifier be regarding flights out of that airport? What would you recommend and applicant do to enhance his/her chances of a successful interview resulting in a job offer? I think maybe I got lucky and beat the rush. I sent my application package in a few weeks ago.

 

[Guitar Guy]

It does. Thank You Fishchman.
I would assume then if you extend your tour and work 9 days for the extra $ and/or to help out the company you are off for 5 days before your next tour? If home basing is in the near future at NJ, how close would you have to live near an airport and what might the qualifier be regarding flights out of that airport? What would you recommend and applicant do to enhance his/her chances of a successful interview resulting in a job offer? I think maybe I got lucky and beat the rush. I sent my application package in a few weeks ago.

I'll help out Fischman here.

If you extend and assuming that you are talking about the normal (7 on/7 off) schedule, the start day of your next tour wouldn't be shifted. As was previously noted, the only time start and end days of a tour are shifted is for training. By the way, 9 days would be a heck of a long tour. If one extends, it's usually just for one day. And by the way, on the normal schedule, you are limited to only 3 paid extended days per quarter - any extended days over 3 are simply comped with "off" days.

As for basing, you are correct to note that nothing has changed yet relative to the dumb-a-cile program. However, even under the current system, there is no requirement for you to live with within a certain distance of that dumb-a-cile: the company only cares that you are at your show location at the assigned show time on day one of your tour. I doubt that would change in the future either.

As for the interview, just be relaxed, know Parts 91 and 135 and read over the usual gouge sites. The interview was very relaxed in my opinion and the sim ride is very straight-forward.

Good luck to you.

 

[skiandsurf]

As we have already established, there is no such thing as a "typical tour".

Every tour is different.

One week you will listen to a captain talk about how this job sucked before the contract. As you bitch about making $40,000, he will tell you that you are making as much as he used to make as a captain. Then you ask him "if it sucked so much, why did you stay at Netjets?" He will tell you that he "saw that this was the place to be". In other words, these guys werent hirable.

Then the next week, you will fly with a guy that tells you "you know, between my wife and me, we are making a quarter million a year." Then 10 minutes later, he will ask if you a couple of dollars for a tip.

As you can see, there is no "typical tour".

 

[Ladi]

Question from a Flight Attendant.....

At NJ when you are on your 7 days, are you w/ the same F/A (if you fly a large cabin a/c) or does it change? And during those 7 days do you ever have a nite back at home? ie, in that evening and back out in the morning? Or are all the overnites always away?

I am asking because I see they are accepting resumes for Flight Attendants and I am sending mine in.

Thanks!

ladi

 

[Ultra Grump]

Damn, skiandsurf, you are one bitter dude. You need to find a job in another industry, methinks.

 

[jaybird]

As we have already established, there is no such thing as a "typical tour".

Every tour is different.

One week you will listen to a captain talk about how this job sucked before the contract. As you bitch about making $40,000, he will tell you that you are making as much as he used to make as a captain. Then you ask him "if it sucked so much, why did you stay at Netjets?" He will tell you that he "saw that this was the place to be". In other words, these guys werent hirable.

Then the next week, you will fly with a guy that tells you "you know, between my wife and me, we are making a quarter million a year." Then 10 minutes later, he will ask if you a couple of dollars for a tip.

As you can see, there is no "typical tour".

You must be a blast to be with for seven days.

 

[skiandsurf]

Question from a Flight Attendant.....

Thanks!

ladi

I am not an FA and I dont fly with them here at NJs. However, I am guessing the schedules are just like ours. If all three crews are 7/7, most likely you will stay with the same crew for the 7 days. If you are on the reserve schedule, you might change crews.

The only way you will go home during a tour, is if your overnight is in your home city. In my time here at NJs, I have had only one opportunity to go home during the week.

 

[DO-82 driver]

You must be a blast to be with for seven days.

Jay,

Don't be so hard on ski.
This is what we get for having Domiciles.....

 

[skiandsurf]

You must be a blast to be with for seven days.

I like to think so. Just finished a great tour. Long overnights, with plenty of time for refreshments. Great downtown locations. Lots of "scenery". And lots of laughs watching my captain getting trying to get some action. (since I am married, I dont fool around, but like to watch others try).

Had a great time. Look forward to flying with him again soon.

 

[fischman]

I'll help out Fischman here.

If you extend and assuming that you are talking about the normal (7 on/7 off) schedule, the start day of your next tour wouldn't be shifted. As was previously noted, the only time start and end days of a tour are shifted is for training. By the way, 9 days would be a heck of a long tour. If one extends, it's usually just for one day. And by the way, on the normal schedule, you are limited to only 3 paid extended days per quarter - any extended days over 3 are simply comped with "off" days.

As for basing, you are correct to note that nothing has changed yet relative to the dumb-a-cile program. However, even under the current system, there is no requirement for you to live with within a certain distance of that dumb-a-cile: the company only cares that you are at your show location at the assigned show time on day one of your tour. I doubt that would change in the future either.

As for the interview, just be relaxed, know Parts 91 and 135 and read over the usual gouge sites. The interview was very relaxed in my opinion and the sim ride is very straight-forward.

Good luck to you.

What he said..:beer:

 

[fischman]

I would assume then if you extend your tour and work 9 days for the extra $ and/or to help out the company you are off for 5 days before your next tour? If home basing is in the near future at NJ, how close would you have to live near an airport and what might the qualifier be regarding flights out of that airport? What would you recommend and applicant do to enhance his/her chances of a successful interview resulting in a job offer? I think maybe I got lucky and beat the rush. I sent my application package in a few weeks ago.

As far as the interview goes, shine you shoes, iron your shirt, wear a conservative tie, and be yourself. Respect and charm go a long way.

I think you have a 121 background? The hardest thing for me to get used to was the way money is thrown around. At the airline, we used to do whatever it took to save a penny. At NetJets, we will spend whatever it takes to make the owners happy. LITERALLY $1000s of dollars.

Be able think outside of the box in order to get the mission done. For example: Lets say that you don't have the numbers to take off with the required fuel and payload out of ASE to go to TEB. What other options are there? Can you take just enough fuel to get to DEN, refuel, and continue the mission from there? Is there another crew in DEN, RIF, or anywhere close doing hot spare that is in a different fleet that can successfully do the mission? If so, can we get a limo to take the owners to that plane? Maybe we can get that plane to ASE? Maybe we can get a bottle of the owners favorite wine, whisky, etc. at the plane for the inconvience?

See where I'm going? NetJets offers first class experiences, not just flights from A to B.

Also, if you are unsure, ALWAYS side with safety.


Good luck

 

[DO-82 driver]

After Company recurrent a few eeks ago I'm guessing there is going to be more of a push towards those who appear to be willing to provide customer service.

It was mentioned that owner excellence is going to be taught very soon during indoc and an abridged version during company recurrent.

It seems that one of the many drawbacks of the Domicile system is that a number of people were hired who had no real experience in dealing with owners and their needs. Some people may have received the job offer based more on their willing to report to a domicile then for their willingness to provide quality owner services.

These were the senitments expressed by the several groups of managers that spoke to us.

 

[hawk2wp]

I actually have a 135 background. I appreciate everybodys help and hopefully sometime within the next year I'll be joining you. I really feel that NJ will be a good compliment to my mission in life. As for internal recomendations, how much does it help to speed up the interview and hiring process? How would you recommend meeting and getting to know any of you guys? Thanks again for all the input.

 

[Guitar Guy]

As for internal recomendations, how much does it help to speed up the interview and hiring process? How would you recommend meeting and getting to know any of you guys? Thanks again for all the input.

Having an internal recommendation does seem to speed up the process, but plenty of people also see results in a timely fashion without a rec. However, when pursuing a job, it never hurts to have the deck stacked in your favor.

As for meeting NJA crews, go to any FBO and look for the guys and gals in the, um, "spiffy" gold ties with blue slacks. Most of us are pretty friendly and would be happy to talk with you about the company and the job itself.

Good luck to you.

 

[172driver]

I actually have a 135 background. I appreciate everybodys help and hopefully sometime within the next year I'll be joining you. I really feel that NJ will be a good compliment to my mission in life. As for internal recomendations, how much does it help to speed up the interview and hiring process? How would you recommend meeting and getting to know any of you guys? Thanks again for all the input.

Where do you live? I'm sure there are many NJ pilots that would take you up on a free beverage in trade for a letter of rec, if you are a reasonably likeable guy. If that doesn't work, hanging around any fbo in the country would probably do the trick.

 

[hawk2wp]

Where do you live? I'm sure there are many NJ pilots that would take you up on a free beverage in trade for a letter of rec, if you are a reasonably likeable guy. If that doesn't work, hanging around any fbo in the country would probably do the trick.

Anytime any of you guys/gals are at PTK send me an email I'd be happy to come meet you somewhere and buy you one or two of your favorite beverage!

 

[fischman]

I actually have a 135 background. I appreciate everybodys help and hopefully sometime within the next year I'll be joining you. I really feel that NJ will be a good compliment to my mission in life. As for internal recomendations, how much does it help to speed up the interview and hiring process? How would you recommend meeting and getting to know any of you guys? Thanks again for all the input.

Internal recommendations are taken very seriously.

I like cheap beer, 12 year old scotch, and fine cognac.:laugh:

If you want to meet some NJA guys and make some friends, go to the FBO and look for the gold tie coming of the QS tail.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Go to an fbo, look for guys in gold ties.

Wait. What?