1st year pay at CAL

[Lear70]

I actually turned them down after being hired. I couldn't justify leaving a good job here, for that piece of doo doo contract. In my opinion in won't get any better there, but hey, that is just me... LOL

No, you didn't turn them down, you failed the interview. You know you did. Grow up and quit telling your F/O's (and everyone else who is forced to listen) that you "turned down CAL to stay at ExJet because the contract is SOOOO much better".

No one believes you. Not even your F/O's. They're lying so you'll shut up. Trust me on this one.

You're giving a bad name to every late-20's chick that is out there busting their butts to be seen as an equal by their peers in aviation. Quit your b*tching, have a hot cup of STFU, reapply, or just stay off the CAL threads. D*mn...

And please let me know if you ever have an interview coming up at AAI; I'll be certain JD (who reads this forum) has a look at your posts before she calls you for the interview.

p.s. You're crazy about GUM. From another thread, only ONE F/O slot available. I bet money that if it goes to a new-hire class, it'll go senior. 2nd year pay and flying in the Pacific Islands would certainly be worth it for me, but I'm a Diving fanatic... To each their own.

 

[COpilot]

Um, don't worry. I doubt that very many CAL people WANT to go to Guam. If it makes you feel better to think that, then cool beans, but I think most people don't want to go there.

There you go again, quoting something that you nothing about. Why don't you just shut up about things you are not qualified to talk about?

The most Jr. CA on island is a '90 hire; only the bottom 30 F/O's (out of 68) are '05 to '07 hires.

Fully 75% bid to be there. Dumb a$$..

 

[jke406]

No, you didn't turn them down, you failed the interview. You know you did. Grow up and quit telling your F/O's (and everyone else who is forced to listen) that you "turned down CAL to stay at ExJet because the contract is SOOOO much better".

No one believes you. Not even your F/O's. They're lying so you'll shut up. Trust me on this one.

You're giving a bad name to every late-20's chick that is out there busting their butts to be seen as an equal by their peers in aviation. Quit your b*tching, have a hot cup of STFU, reapply, or just stay off the CAL threads. D*mn...

And please let me know if you ever have an interview coming up at AAI; I'll be certain JD (who reads this forum) has a look at your posts before she calls you for the interview.

p.s. You're crazy about GUM. From another thread, only ONE F/O slot available. I bet money that if it goes to a new-hire class, it'll go senior. 2nd year pay and flying in the Pacific Islands would certainly be worth it for me, but I'm a Diving fanatic... To each their own.

Well said. I don't claim to be an expert, but every single immature, giggly post I've seen from Pocono has been painful and insulting to read. Maybe she'll get the hint at some point. If I was the Women's Aviation Museum, I'd make her remove their link from her signature. She does a terrible disservice to that institution's proud heritage.

 

[Captain X]

Um, don't worry. I doubt that very many CAL people WANT to go to Guam. If it makes you feel better to think that, then cool beans, but I think most people don't want to go there.

There you go expressing your ignorance again.

GUM slots are coveted over here and usually, when the rare one is available to a new-hire class, it goes to the more senior folks.

I bet you have one of those shirts that says "If these were brains I'd be a genius."

 

[Lear70]

I bet you have one of those shirts that says "If these were brains I'd be a genius."

ROFLMAO!

 

[Captain Overs]

There are off-line instructors making $150K+ at XJT. The money's out there, just depends on what you want to put up with in terms of QOL in order to get it. I would rather spend the next 5 years in the training dept here than go to CAL/UAL/NWA, but I am doing neither because life ain't all about money.

I agree. The only reason you ever hear people use to justify CAL is the potential money down the road. I agree with you, I'd rather make a decent living at a place I'm proud to work for than have a crappy contract with no days off for the hope of better pay.

 

[Pocono Pilot]

I am used to getting bashed by the CAL guys on here, so I don't take it personally. It is always from the same few guys.

The fact is, that nobody I carry around in the jumpseat is happy at CAL.

 

[Palomino]

I agree. The only reason you ever hear people use to justify CAL is the potential money down the road. I agree with you, I'd rather make a decent living at a place I'm proud to work for than have a crappy contract with no days off for the hope of better pay.

yep. no days off. none. been at CAL for just over a year and enjoying a horrible schedule. i'm also struggling to pay for Ramen noodles.

if you don't know what you're talking about then it's best not to speak of it.

keep dusting off the gear handle at Express and bashing CAL. at least you'll entertain the rest of us.

now i think i'll take a nap before i return to work in several days for another easy trip in a nice plane with a good crew.

life is hard...especially if you talk yourself into your own misery.

 

[ATRCA]

yep. no days off. none. been at CAL for just over a year and enjoying a horrible schedule. i'm also struggling to pay for Ramen noodles.

if you don't know what you're talking about then it's best not to speak of it.

keep dusting off the gear handle at Express and bashing CAL. at least you'll entertain the rest of us.

now i think i'll take a nap before i return to work in several days for another easy trip in a nice plane with a good crew.

life is hard...especially if you talk yourself into your own misery.

c'mon now........good crew? You must be on the 73.

 

[whymeworry?]

There are off-line instructors making $150K+ at XJT. The money's out there, just depends on what you want to put up with in terms of QOL in order to get it. I would rather spend the next 5 years in the training dept here than go to CAL/UAL/NWA, but I am doing neither because life ain't all about money.

AND

I agree. The only reason you ever hear people use to justify CAL is the potential money down the road. I agree with you, I'd rather make a decent living at a place I'm proud to work for than have a crappy contract with no days off for the hope of better pay.

That's retarded thinking, man. I've done the whole Trng Dept thing. After you get over the honeymoon of a new job in teaching (about a year) its like watching the paint dry in the sim day-in, day-out... enough to drive you to the edge. The only way I kept my sanity was to pepper my sim trng assignments with line flying and aircraft trng flights.And the guys making $150K/ yr... believe me, they deserve it. To pull in that kind of quan at XJT you're down to 6-8 days off per month and pulling doubles (two training sessions a day) a few days per month as well. You just can't work like that forever.

Pls don't misconstrue my comments as negativity for the joba s isntructor. I really enjoyed giving 110% for all my students. But that's just the problem. In order to be effective teaching 500 hr pilots, you have to give it your all. Keeping up that level of enthusiasm very day can be exhausting.

I don't know how some guys do it for 20+ years (although it sure was nice to be home every night) but hey, to each his own. Go ahead and try it. You'll find yourself wishing you had a way to get off the drug (the money/ the overtime) within the first year. But the pay hit will be so severe you'll just keep going. I personally think only experienced line pilot should be checkairman and then they should only be able to sim teach for 4-5 years to maintain QC for the overall product (the successful student).

Besides, the present environment at XJT won't last forever. When it the music stops, offline trng dept guys will do about $100K due to no OT. Still a respectable income. But for those who got too use to the buck-and-a-half juice, it will be a big enough pay hit when the time comes to actually hurt.

At the end of the day, nearly every major airline pilot in America had to take huge pay cuts and start all over to, well, start all over at a major. The pay-off is supposedly a better ticket to the dance. We'll see if that plays out to fruition. But any way you slice it, if you want to make more money in this career you'll have to leave the regionals and take that pay hit some day. Its really a case of taking the hit now, or 3-5 years down the road. Glad I got it out of the way. It was truly painful (and still is).

 

[100/hour/5y]

can we end this

 

[Captain X]

can we end this

All signs point to probably not. :nuts:

 

[MJG]

Yea, seriously, this stupid thread has turned into a

"My _________ is bigger than your _________."

 

[Captain Overs]

yep. no days off. none. been at CAL for just over a year and enjoying a horrible schedule. i'm also struggling to pay for Ramen noodles.

if you don't know what you're talking about then it's best not to speak of it.

keep dusting off the gear handle at Express and bashing CAL. at least you'll entertain the rest of us.

now i think i'll take a nap before i return to work in several days for another easy trip in a nice plane with a good crew.

life is hard...especially if you talk yourself into your own misery.

I've been throwing the gear handle at Expressjet for 16 years. I can't seem to get the upgrade, and I'm not sure why either.

 

[CAL EWR B737]

I am used to getting bashed by the CAL guys on here, so I don't take it personally. It is always from the same few guys.

The fact is, that nobody I carry around in the jumpseat is happy at CAL.

I just flew with your former MEC Chairman who was in place during the latest contract negotiations at your company. He is quite happy to be at CAL as are 99.9% of the other former XJT pilots who are now at CAL.

Is our pilot group as a whole very unhappy with our current contact YOU BETCHA. I wouldn't want to go into negotiations on a key contract without such massive dissatisfaction, it certainly helps our unity and resolve. Don't confuse unhappy with the current working conditions and contract as "unhappy" being employed with the company.

Grow up and lose the attitude and maybe you will get hired by a quality company. I witnessed three flight attendants fighting in the crew room in London the other night, you very much remind me of the immaturity and unprofessionalism!

 

[Captain X]

Well said CAL EWR!

It's obvious that P-Pilot was not at XJT prior to C'02 negotiations or had to live under C'97 at all. Definitely part of the "it's all about me again" generation.

If so, "it" would know that the "mood" at CAL is very similar to the way it was at XJT (we called it COEX back then).

Ironic (or destiny) how the majority of the people who got that contact that XJT is living under now are at CAL. You know, the contract you are reaping the benefit of. The one you had no part of any fight in. Yeah, that one.

 

[flatspin7]

Is our pilot group as a whole very unhappy with our current contact YOU BETCHA. I wouldn't want to go into negotiations on a key contract without such massive dissatisfaction, it certainly helps our unity and resolve. Don't confuse unhappy with the current working conditions and contract as "unhappy" being employed with the company.

Great point that some peole dont really get...
One can like their job but not like their contract or management.

Yeah the work rules suck but it is still fun to go to work and do my job.

 

[CAL EWR B737]

I am used to getting bashed by the CAL guys on here, so I don't take it personally. It is always from the same few guys.

The fact is, that nobody I carry around in the jumpseat is happy at CAL.

Additional information from history that you are probably oblivious too. I was at CAL in 88 when we had a mass Exodus (many former PEX and Frontier the old Frontier Chief Pilot was the initial Chief at UPS) for the initial cadre of pilots to be hired by UPS when they established their own pilot group and discontinued the wet leased flying. Many of the initial pilots were miserable at UPS. They were treated like truckers and yeilded very little respect from their coworkers and UPS management. The pay was descent but no where in the neighborhood of the Majors (now referred to as Legacy's)

They axed the Teamsters (truckers division) and started their own Union (IPA). Twenty years later they have done an outstanding job negotiating contracts and making UPS one of the premiere pilot jobs.

Just a little lesson in history in this business nothing lasts forever good or bad. I can also remember when UAL, DAL, NWA and USAIR were the premier jobs and UPS, FEDEX and SWA weren't.

Your statements and assumptions about CAL are based on current working conditions and pay especially for those on the bottom half of the list are only valid for the present. The future is up to us and we have the power to make drastic improvements.

 

[fxbat]

''I witnessed three flight attendants fighting in the crew room in London the other night,""
Loads of fun for us trying to use the computers. When are you guys leaving the Hilton? The Aurora is much nicer.

 

[CAL EWR B737]

''I witnessed three flight attendants fighting in the crew room in London the other night,""
Loads of fun for us trying to use the computers. When are you guys leaving the Hilton? The Aurora is much nicer.

Were you there? One of my high priorities for Contract 08 is to separate our layovers from the FA's and move to five star hotels. Let the FA's negotiate for themselves where they stay. I am tired of getting kicked out of nice hotels because of there BS.