1st year pay at CAL

[Double Shot]

It's very apparent to me that Pocono is in that "me me what about me and more about me generation". I believe this is more apparent in this generation of new pilots vs older generations.[/quote]


Careful...I can think of a particular generation at cal with this attitude. Say around 1983 to 1985.

 

[CAL EWR B737]

Careful...I can think of a particular generation at cal with this attitude. Say around 1983 to 1985

Whoa please don't put words into mouth and say I am comparing them to 83 to 85.

No doubt many in this category you mention fits the above criteria but there is a difference and a big one. The ones in the 83 to 85 category crossed a picket line. The ones in the current generation of pilots I believe wouldn't and actually would fight hard in the opposite direction for a better contract and would strike and never scab.

My point is I believe today many want what is due to them today and not tomorrow, less penitence if you will. I never said they would scab, and that is really below the belt to insulate that is what I said.

Many in the infamous group(83 to 85) would step on top of you or whatever to get what they wanted. Please don't put words into my mouth what you are insinuating is NOT what I AM SAYING!

My statement is more of a generalization of the youth today not specific to pilots.

In reality for our contract campaign at CAL I am very happy we have many of the new generation pilots because I know they will fight hard and they will be a major reason (if we are successful in our quest for a real contract) we will be successful. In my opinon without this group at CAL our chance for successful would be very low.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Nice! 30K a year and no health insurance. Min days off, poor union leadership, Newark base, and PBS.

Sounds like a real hoot. LOL

ps, by my calculations, you will not double that for the second year if you decide to stay on the 737.

I will double my first year earnings and I am on the 737. You forget that you are being paid MPG for most of your time on first year pay and you are a lineholder for 2nd year pay. Big difference, especially when you are flying well in excess of MPG and you are also flying the productive trips and not the junk trips assigned to reserves.

-Neal

 

[BluDevAv8r]

You work at Express. I doubt you have ever seen 60K, so don't pretend you know how much that is. You say you have 4100 hours, which is doubtable, but using that as a basis you are most probably a 3 or 4 year CA/FO, which is due largely in part those Express pilots actually getting hired by CAL and leaving. 75 hours at APC will get you 59K a year as a 4 year CA. Don't try to tell anyone you know about anything at CAL when you don't know jack ******************** about Express.

Ex737, not to shoot holes in your argument but as a 6th year Captain in 2005 I made about $85k at XJT. It wouldn't have been much less on 4th year pay...maybe $5k less. Then again, I didn't commute which puts a big impact on how many hours one is willing to fly/credit.

-Neal

 

[Palomino]

Ex737, not to shoot holes in your argument but as a 6th year Captain in 2005 I made about $85k at XJT. It wouldn't have been much less on 4th year pay...maybe $5k less. Then again, I didn't commute which puts a big impact on how many hours one is willing to fly/credit.

-Neal

i must've been the laziest bastage at Express. i never cleared more than $80k (including profit sharing) and i was there a long time.

oh well. the rest in my youth has prepared me for this uphill climb to a higher quality of life at CAL.

Express guys make decent money in the left seat. but, i much prefer flying at CAL. it's better organized, more professional front to back, and offers more career choices. i'll be back to Express pay levels by the 3rd year. guys who think otherwise were doing bad math when they decided to stay at Express.

Express is a grand place with good opportunities. i wish them all the best. but, i'm glad to be where i am now and i look forward to a good fight for a better CAL. CAL does well = Express does well. win/win for all involved.

just to reiterate, though - PBS SUCKS!

 

[BluDevAv8r]

i must've been the laziest bastage at Express. i never cleared more than $80k (including profit sharing) and i was there a long time.

oh well. the rest in my youth has prepared me for this uphill climb to a higher quality of life at CAL.

Express guys make decent money in the left seat. but, i much prefer flying at CAL. it's better organized, more professional front to back, and offers more career choices. i'll be back to Express pay levels by the 3rd year. guys who think otherwise were doing bad math when they decided to stay at Express.

Express is a grand place with good opportunities. i wish them all the best. but, i'm glad to be where i am now and i look forward to a good fight for a better CAL. CAL does well = Express does well. win/win for all involved.

just to reiterate, though - PBS SUCKS!

Yes, PBS does indeed "suck." No doubt there!

And I wasn't a commuter so I bid a lot of day trips that were 6+ hours. That strategy ended up getting me a lot of RX days due to delays which allowed me to then work the system even more. I had a pretty good clue about how the contract worked so that helped too But when you live in base, crediting 100+ hours a month is easy...and you end up not flying anywhere near that. Unfortunately it is a tad different here at CAL (far less soft time to exploit).

-Neal

 

[ClubORD]

I'm on pace for $34-36K first year pay. I know it sucks but my decision to come to CAL was based on long term growth and these pay rates will drastically change (amongst other things) come Contract 08'. However, my pay will more than double come next year.​

I definately do not pick anything up and try to drop as much as possible. I was hired in Oct 06' spent one month on reserve and since holding a line in Feb 07' have averaged 14-15 days off a month (737 EWR). This summer I have been holding either 13-14 days off with at least 1 or 2 weekends or partial weekends off. I am bidding around 65% in base. ​

This is legit, factual, to date information. Please do not let some disgruntled, narrow minded fool tell you what your life will be like by quoting websites and talking to "her friends". ​

 

[ForgedBlade]

I was at about $40k my first year and more than double that second year. Every airline has it's problems, but this has been a great gig so far. The international travel is a blast (although not quite as fun as my ATA days!) and the crews have been great. I never even bothered with my own insurance for the first six months, but I am single and am lucky to be in good health. Time goes by fast here...

 

[StuckMic]

I am still curious how AWACoff made $70,000 his first year. Did you come up with that number by using CRJ Captain's pay for the first 11 months of your "first year" at CAL?

 

["TheBigPicture"]

I am still curious how AWACoff made $70,000 his first year. Did you come up with that number by using CRJ Captain's pay for the first 11 months of your "first year" at CAL?

..........or GUAM??? :beer:

 

[ATRCA]

You work at Express. I doubt you have ever seen 60K, so don't pretend you know how much that is. You say you have 4100 hours, which is doubtable, but using that as a basis you are most probably a 3 or 4 year CA/FO, which is due largely in part those Express pilots actually getting hired by CAL and leaving. 75 hours at APC will get you 59K a year as a 4 year CA. Don't try to tell anyone you know about anything at CAL when you don't know jack ******************** about Express.

Wait a second....I have no issue with CAL, would go in a heartbeat but are you serious??.....never see 60K. I will make a bit over 80K this year at XJT. I'm on 8th year pay and I won't have to kill myself to top 80. I never have less than 14 days off and the money is ok for the work I do.

I'm not slamming CAL at all but you should take a look at our pay rates before you post about our earning potential.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

I guess your correct. You should stay at XJT and enjoy your life. That's great pay. If you live where you like, and your life is ok, I might be content also. But you're talking about 3rd-4th year earnings at a Major/Legacy. I'm not picking, but I sure wouldn't get too cocky about that.

 

[Ex737Driver]

Wait a second....I have no issue with CAL, would go in a heartbeat but are you serious??.....never see 60K. I will make a bit over 80K this year at XJT. I'm on 8th year pay and I won't have to kill myself to top 80. I never have less than 14 days off and the money is ok for the work I do.

I'm not slamming CAL at all but you should take a look at our pay rates before you post about our earning potential.

Ex737, not to shoot holes in your argument but as a 6th year Captain in 2005 I made about $85k at XJT. It wouldn't have been much less on 4th year pay...maybe $5k less. Then again, I didn't commute which puts a big impact on how many hours one is willing to fly/credit.

Easy fellas.............., just using her same retarded math back on her for third and fourth year RJ CA.

I call BS. Not according to APC pay rates if you are on the 737.

 

[AWACoff]

..........or GUAM??? :beer:

We have a winner!

For anybody that might be senior to me....Guam is full of snakes, the power is out 50% of the time, and the flying is horrible. Oh, and the captains are really mean too. Don't bid out here!

For those that don't know, GUM basing offers 2nd year pay plus a COLA which results in first year pay being just over $70,000 with per diem. Remember, if you are senior to me, GUM sucks! Excuse me while I go out snorkeling again.

 

[A19]

Don't foget typhoon's, earthquakes, long legs with nothing to look at but blue ocean, using 1930's technology to communicate, a myrid of tropical diseases, so again if you are senior to either me or AWACoff I would recomend not bidding Guam.

 

[ATRCA]

I guess your correct. You should stay at XJT and enjoy your life. That's great pay. If you live where you like, and your life is ok, I might be content also. But you're talking about 3rd-4th year earnings at a Major/Legacy. I'm not picking, but I sure wouldn't get too cocky about that.

I have no intention of staying. Just pointing out that we are not all 23 yrs old making 22K a year. I am not married, have no children and live very well on what I make. That being said, I would prefer to leave. Eight years is enough.

 

[EWR_FO]

long legs with nothing to look at

That sounds like the Viking Lounge on Sundays.

 

[BigShotXJTdrvr]

There are off-line instructors making $150K+ at XJT. The money's out there, just depends on what you want to put up with in terms of QOL in order to get it. I would rather spend the next 5 years in the training dept here than go to CAL/UAL/NWA, but I am doing neither because life ain't all about money.

 

[RJAA]

Guam is not that special. It certainly isn't worth traveling all the way from the mainland if you have seen some of the Caribbean islands before. It's nice for the Asian tourists especially Japan who loves feeling like they are in America in just 3 hours and see a bit of clean beach and tropical action and do all of the tacky shopping. It does get old. However, I cannot speak for the other Micronesian islands, never been...must be beautiful.

 

[Pocono Pilot]

We have a winner!

For anybody that might be senior to me....Guam is full of snakes, the power is out 50% of the time, and the flying is horrible. Oh, and the captains are really mean too. Don't bid out here!

For those that don't know, GUM basing offers 2nd year pay plus a COLA which results in first year pay being just over $70,000 with per diem. Remember, if you are senior to me, GUM sucks! Excuse me while I go out snorkeling again.

Um, don't worry. I doubt that very many CAL people WANT to go to Guam. If it makes you feel better to think that, then cool beans, but I think most people don't want to go there.