Growing worldwide pilot shortage

[pilotyip]

Now tell me; would this have happened 2 yrs ago? An ex Navy bud of mine retired legacy Captain, 63 yrs old, just got hired as 767-ER Captain off the street by a Middle Eastern Airline. He had not flown or had a medical for 5 yrs. He was contacted by some int'l search company and offered the job. BTW they made him a check airman. There is growing shortage and it is coming to the US. Airlines will have to sweeten the pot in order to attract future pilots. Those who do not will be hard pressed to fill empty seats.

 

[NEDude]

It is world wide and it is real. It is only a matter of time before we see the real benefits here. We are starting to with the offering of signing bonuses at the regional airlines, but that is just the beginning.


From India-
http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=167198

From Taiwan-
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2007/06/30/2003367439

From New Zeland-
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/nelsonmail/4119865a6510.html

From the middle east-
http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp?Article=187279&Sn=BNEW&IssueID=30111

From Europe-
http://www.flightglobal.com/article...-transport-boom-is-great-news-for-pilots.html

From here at home-

http://www.flightglobal.com/article...lot-hiring-causes-us-instructor-shortage.html


http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/07/02/215292/pi-hiring-causes-us-instructor-shortage.html

 

[Superpilot92]

Awesome i cant wait!! They need to do something here in the states because the majors just arent that appealing right now. i know that will change but its still pathetic how low first year rates are. IMHO

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Oh, come on PilotYIP!

U know there is NO pilot shortage, there never has been, and there never will be!

As evidence, the new UAL mins are 20,000 TT, 10,000 PIC 121/Mil Jet, and 10 years 121/mil crew experience!

C U!
cliff
YIP

 

[pilotyip]

Cliff, your right my grandson has not applied for a job yet

 

[8sugarsugar]

when we run out of oil, we'll all be out jobs

 

[8sugarsugar]

to be more correct, when we hit peak oil and it costs too much to fly airplanes, next year, maybe 20 years..

 

[pilotyip]

Oil replaceable

We will not be out of jobs when we run out of oil. There is plenty of other energy stuff out there to replace out, it may cost more, but that is what a rising price of oil does, it makes other stuff look better. We heard the same talk in 1974 during the Oil embargo. Lockheed said they could build a hydrogen-powered airplane.

 

[bluefishbeagle]

There's a shortage of quailifed pilots not a shortage of pilots.

Plus your example is for a job post in what part of the world? The middle east you say? Daahhh...

There's not a shortage of quailifed 767 Captains there's a shortage 767 Captains of stupid enough to go work in an area of the world where Americans are most valued when their head's are detached from their bodies.

 

[hindsight2020]

Exactly, in the world of Freedman's "Flat world" there are economic forces that may open up employment opportunities in developing nations, all it means for domestic passenger travel in the US is an overall reduction in compensation, even with the increase in volume. In other words, the lower pay scale base is going to broaden to the point where only an insignificant amount of pilots are making "attractive" salaries in the US, in the context of US cost-of-living, which oh by the way continues to inflate at a pretty scary rate. Therefore, if you wish to recapture the ability to "live the life" you'll have to chase the airplane to Dubai, or whatever sandbox the demand will afford the price you're looking for. That is not to say one couldn't still attain a living wage flying domestic pax in the US, but the top end salaries are not going to be here a decade from now. Forget the cyclic nature of the industry argument, it will stabilize at an outright lower level, face it. Most folks here will find the opportunity cost of relocating to Asscrackistan not worth the paycheck and will remain in the states, where the compensation will eventually stabilize at the aforementioned lower level. Of course, this clown Freedman's argument also suggests that as a result of such wage reduction, most airline-hopefuls would eventually either be priced out of the market (as we're seeing with the prohibitive cost of GA, and the skyrocketing cost of obtaining licenses) or for those currently in the market, detered enough to do the "globalist" thing and re-educate yourself, ala 20 year airline capt going BACK to school to become a computer widget debugger, or some sh%t that happens to retain some semblance of comparative advantage in the US over other countries in the year 2020. There's your pilot shortage in a nutshell. But it's all good, globalism sounds so edgy, it must be good right? ...right... Globalism doesnt care its your "dream" to fly for a living.

 

[TD_Klondike]

I'm not so sure the pilot shortage is really global. In the US, it's a pretty good time to be an entry level pilot, to be sure, and in asia/middle east, it's a really good time to be a jet captain. What's important to remember is that there are only a few places in the world that produce a large number of pilots, and the US is one of them. The developing countries that need pilots don't have the infrastructure to create them, so the contract options for qualified pilots are excellent right now. Even Japan, which is hardly developing, has great aviation opportunities just because it's in a position to take advantage of the asian aviation boom.

I'm not sure what that's going to mean for the US market yet. Hindsight might be right about the overall pay going down in the US, but if the US carriers have to start being competitive with the oil-producing countries and China (which, for the time being, has wonderful resources with which to pay pilots) I doubt it will be a long-term effect. It's such a dynamic industry it's really hard to make predictions beyond about 5 years or so.

At least for me, but what do I know. I just work here.

 

[GoingHot]

Exactly, in the world of Freedman's "Flat world" there are economic forces that may open up employment opportunities in developing nations, all it means for domestic passenger travel in the US is an overall reduction in compensation, even with the increase in volume.

That is one long fracking sentence. And that is one of your short one's.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

From what I've read, I believe that, overall, the foreign airlines pay MORE than the US ones, which, along with their basic demand for pilots, would tend to INCREASE pay for US based pilots.

*I think the above sentence was LONGER?*

Increased pay is good, typically.

cliff
YIP

 

[brokeflyer]

Glad i wrk at netjets.......thats gonna be the only game in town before too long....

 

[Goose Egg]

Maybe now Europe will come off their high-horse about JARs. I have an ICAO license, for crying out loud!!!

-Goose

 

[bizicmo]

Look at the add on this site for ATP flight instructors. They are offering $500 signing bonus plus $2000 a month salary. I know its not anything great but I know for a fact 2 years ago there was no signing bonus and the salary was $1000 a month. The crunch is starting to happen at the bottom and will hopefully work its way up.
At CommutAir the the last couple of new hire class have been really small due to lack of people. There is now a $500 referral bonus. The rumor was we had a class where they wanted 20 people, offer letters to 18, 6 showed up and 2 left during ground school. I think the most recent class they wanted to hire 4, so the gameplan was to interview 10 and offer employment to 8 thinking half won't show up. Well they only manage 4 interviews all were hired.

 

[barclay10]

You guys are so lucky to American.

I'm Canadian, and have an FAA CPL AMEL, Instrument, in addition to Canadian licenses.

It's tough in Canada if you're low time -and these are "good times". We just don't have the same market dynamics that the US does.

What I would give to be an American right now.


Anyone hiring FAA license holders in the Caribbean or elsewhere.

 

[SPilot]

What I would give to be an American right now.

Dude, go and marry some 350lbs woman with a need for some love! Two-three years of hell is all it takes to become American.

 

[jmreii]

You guys are so lucky to American.

I'm Canadian, and have an FAA CPL AMEL, Instrument, in addition to Canadian licenses.

It's tough in Canada if you're low time -and these are "good times". We just don't have the same market dynamics that the US does.

What I would give to be an American right now.


Anyone hiring FAA license holders in the Caribbean or elsewhere.

Make sure that 350 pounder has money, because you will starve with the wages some of these companies pay

 

[barclay10]

Hahaha,

Already married...

I'm fortunate that I'm in a financial position that I can afford to work for peanuts and not have to rely on aviation to support myself.

In some countries you can buy citizenship... you can do that in the US, sorta, but you need to create jobs and invest $1,000,000 or something.