1st year pay at CAL

[SlapShot]

While I know a first year FO gets $30.00 and hour, can anyone tell me roughly what you make in your first year at CAL?

Also, what do people do for insurance their first 6 months? Is there an insurance broker you can go through to get very basic coverage?

 

[klr1395]

I would guess about $30,000. $30/hr x the FAA limit of 1000hrs if you pick up some open time to help the company. I do not believe they pay a higher rate for voluntary pickup in open time. No idea as far as insurance goes... klr

 

[Orphan Annie]

Check out Assurant Health. They have short and long term insurance available. You can apply on the internet and I think they give a discount if you can pre-pay for the 6 mos you'll need it.

 

[flatspin7]

You can probably expect to see just north of 30,000 for your first year and probably somewhere close to double that for your second year.

Yes I know first year pay at CAL sucks (I know poconopilot is here somewhere) But it beats topping out at a regional.

 

[9rj9]

pm Linepilot, he knows all about it.

 

[taxicabdriver]

I paid about $47/month for temporary insurance through Assurant for just a basic "what if" policy

 

[Pocono Pilot]

You can probably expect to see just north of 30,000 for your first year and probably somewhere close to double that for your second year.

Nice! 30K a year and no health insurance. Min days off, poor union leadership, Newark base, and PBS.

Sounds like a real hoot. LOL

ps, by my calculations, you will not double that for the second year if you decide to stay on the 737.

 

[BigMeat]

Nice! 30K a year and no health insurance. Min days off, poor union leadership, Newark base, and PBS.

Sounds like a real hoot. LOL

ps, by my calculations, you will not double that for the second year if you decide to stay on the 737.

Pocono,

Before you say something like that you should get informed. In my second year pay I will exceed 60k by a good margin. I know it was hard being turned down but you can apply again. First year is tough but the pros outweight the cons in this job. I dont regret for a day coming here. We are doing well and it seems like things are on track. For your sake you better hope Cont. stays around nice and healthy. We pay your salary. The passengers you fly belong to us.

Bigmeat

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Nice! 30K a year and no health insurance. Min days off, poor union leadership, Newark base, and PBS.

Sounds like a real hoot. LOL

ps, by my calculations, you will not double that for the second year if you decide to stay on the 737.

Shame you didn't make the cut. You might not be the bitter old b!tch you are now at age 30 if CAL had decided to hire you.

Typical woman, full of delusion and self-importance....

 

[Pocono Pilot]

Pocono,

Before you say something like that you should get informed. In my second year pay I will exceed 60k by a good margin.

I call BS. Not according to APC pay rates if you are on the 737.

I know it was hard being turned down but you can apply again.

I think we have been over this before Big Meat (nice name, I am a fan of big m___) I actually turned them down after being hired. I couldn't justify leaving a good job here, for that piece of doo doo contract. In my opinion in won't get any better there, but hey, that is just me... LOL

 

[AWACoff]

I will make over $70,000 during my first year at CAL on the 737. Pocono, your post on 2/24/07 indicates that you believe that CAL is the most secure major out there and you hoped to be here soon. What did you learn during an interview that lasts less than an hour that changed your mind? Let me guess...you learned that they showed you the door and said "thanks but NO THANKS" and told you to go back to flying with the cadets at COEX. Generally, just because you FAILED on an interview doesn't mean you're a failure in life. Of course you appear to be the exception. Failing the CAL interview must haunt your dreams. There is no other reason to post negatively in every CAL thread. You remind me of the kid who had to mail a check for $1 to the widow of the man the kid killed while driving recklessly. You're a failure. Get over it. Get a hobby. I could not imagine spending a leg with you in the cockpit. The bitterness gets old. All the pilots you fly with (assuming you are even a pilot and not some 12 year old boy with a transsexual fantasy) do not agree with your bitterness. They just smile and nod in the hope you will shut your piehole. Where the heck is the place to ask a mod to ban someone? Such meaningless crap all from one person like pocono makes flight info worse. There is not one redeeming thing about this poster.

 

[Ex737Driver]

I call BS. Not according to APC pay rates if you are on the 737. I actually turned them down after being hired. I couldn't justify leaving a good job here, for that piece of doo doo contract. In my opinion in won't get any better there, but hey, that is just me... LOL

You work at Express. I doubt you have ever seen 60K, so don't pretend you know how much that is. You say you have 4100 hours, which is doubtable, but using that as a basis you are most probably a 3 or 4 year CA/FO, which is due largely in part those Express pilots actually getting hired by CAL and leaving. 75 hours at APC will get you 59K a year as a 4 year CA. Don't try to tell anyone you know about anything at CAL when you don't know jack ******************** about Express.

 

[52560]

I will make over $70,000 during my first year at CAL on the 737.

Not bad at all! Just curious, are you planning on flying over 2000 hours this year? Just curious how you plan on making over 70k on year 1 pay.

 

[hagen]

She is probably a 10/04 or 11/04 hire at earliest. That means she can barely hold IAH short jet pay. this is from last senority list so may be out of date. If she is in another base could hold long jet. So adjust base pay for that. Also means she isn't holding a hard line. There are only 462 hard lines in IAH for August and the most junior went to a 05/04 hire. Probably a relief line or sitting reserve with the only hope of getting a line that others are leaving infront of her.

 

[Daddy69]

I am a 2nd year FO with CAL. I love the job and think the company is absolutely on the right track. My W2 earnings to date are just under 40K. We are only in the end of July. I think with the new contract we will also see big improvements. CAL was my number one choice when I applied and I see nothing but blue skys for the future. Pocono, you are a moron!

 

[LvnDaDream]

It might just be my imagination, but didn't Pocaho have 2900 hours just last week? Maybe the inteviewers at CAL had an issue with her logbook and gave her the hook.

 

[flatspin7]

Nice! 30K a year and no health insurance. Min days off, poor union leadership, Newark base, and PBS.

Sounds like a real hoot. LOL

ps, by my calculations, you will not double that for the second year if you decide to stay on the 737.

1) 30K for the FIRST year... its not like it stays that way!

2) Min days off? I have averaged 15 days off a month since I have held a line (737 EWR). I only sat reserve for 5 months which was longer than most. I was hired in April and didnt have a lot of people come in Junior to me, September / October hires were getting off reserve in a month or 2. Oh and I was talking to some friends at XJet in EWR and that have mentioned that the lines have gone to He!! and min days off is the norm.

3) Poor Union leadership--- The folks that brought us contract '02 are almost all gone. There is progress being made and most people are optimistic for the future. (Bling Bling)

4)I am born and raised in Jersey. EWR ROCKS! The flying is varied and a lot of the bad delays can be avioded with smart bidding.

5) PBS---- well it sucks.

Bottom line... CAL ain't perfect. There are large problems here that need to be fixed. That being said it is still a heck of a lot better than any regional could ever be. The real deal is that flying for Xjet was a great time, and I have no bad blood toward that company it is simply a supplier. Their success and failure depend on the Good graces of others. Xjet has done a good job of finding homes for the first 69 airplanes, but what is going to happen when the next 69 leave in the next few years? Or when Colgan moves into ewr and shrinks the once junior base even more?

Get real... I am sorry that Cal rejected you... but with your attitude it really doesnt shock me. Time to move on!

Good Night and Good Luck.

 

[ByeUSAir]

Pocono Pilot

You need help. You are very stressed about not being hired at CAL. Might I suggest that you find an outlet. Go buy yourself a boy friend.

www.goodvibes.com

 

[pkober]

It might just be my imagination, but didn't Pocaho have 2900 hours just last week? Maybe the inteviewers at CAL had an issue with her logbook and gave her the hook.

It's attitude and lack of flying ability that probably did her in during the interview. I'm betting that will come out in every interview she has.

 

[CAL EWR B737]

Personally I am very happy Pocono didn't get hired. HE/SHE has shown his/her true colors. Ninety eight percent of our new hires are great people and do an outstanding job. Of course we have that two percent and it's obvious where Pocono would fit in and we don't need any more thank you.

It's very apparent to me that Pocono is in that "me me what about me and more about me generation". I believe this is more apparent in this generation of new pilots vs older generations.

 

[Double Shot]

It's very apparent to me that Pocono is in that "me me what about me and more about me generation". I believe this is more apparent in this generation of new pilots vs older generations.[/quote]


Careful...I can think of a particular generation at cal with this attitude. Say around 1983 to 1985.

 

[CAL EWR B737]

Careful...I can think of a particular generation at cal with this attitude. Say around 1983 to 1985

Whoa please don't put words into mouth and say I am comparing them to 83 to 85.

No doubt many in this category you mention fits the above criteria but there is a difference and a big one. The ones in the 83 to 85 category crossed a picket line. The ones in the current generation of pilots I believe wouldn't and actually would fight hard in the opposite direction for a better contract and would strike and never scab.

My point is I believe today many want what is due to them today and not tomorrow, less penitence if you will. I never said they would scab, and that is really below the belt to insulate that is what I said.

Many in the infamous group(83 to 85) would step on top of you or whatever to get what they wanted. Please don't put words into my mouth what you are insinuating is NOT what I AM SAYING!

My statement is more of a generalization of the youth today not specific to pilots.

In reality for our contract campaign at CAL I am very happy we have many of the new generation pilots because I know they will fight hard and they will be a major reason (if we are successful in our quest for a real contract) we will be successful. In my opinon without this group at CAL our chance for successful would be very low.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Nice! 30K a year and no health insurance. Min days off, poor union leadership, Newark base, and PBS.

Sounds like a real hoot. LOL

ps, by my calculations, you will not double that for the second year if you decide to stay on the 737.

I will double my first year earnings and I am on the 737. You forget that you are being paid MPG for most of your time on first year pay and you are a lineholder for 2nd year pay. Big difference, especially when you are flying well in excess of MPG and you are also flying the productive trips and not the junk trips assigned to reserves.

-Neal

 

[BluDevAv8r]

You work at Express. I doubt you have ever seen 60K, so don't pretend you know how much that is. You say you have 4100 hours, which is doubtable, but using that as a basis you are most probably a 3 or 4 year CA/FO, which is due largely in part those Express pilots actually getting hired by CAL and leaving. 75 hours at APC will get you 59K a year as a 4 year CA. Don't try to tell anyone you know about anything at CAL when you don't know jack ******************** about Express.

Ex737, not to shoot holes in your argument but as a 6th year Captain in 2005 I made about $85k at XJT. It wouldn't have been much less on 4th year pay...maybe $5k less. Then again, I didn't commute which puts a big impact on how many hours one is willing to fly/credit.

-Neal

 

[Palomino]

Ex737, not to shoot holes in your argument but as a 6th year Captain in 2005 I made about $85k at XJT. It wouldn't have been much less on 4th year pay...maybe $5k less. Then again, I didn't commute which puts a big impact on how many hours one is willing to fly/credit.

-Neal

i must've been the laziest bastage at Express. i never cleared more than $80k (including profit sharing) and i was there a long time.

oh well. the rest in my youth has prepared me for this uphill climb to a higher quality of life at CAL.

Express guys make decent money in the left seat. but, i much prefer flying at CAL. it's better organized, more professional front to back, and offers more career choices. i'll be back to Express pay levels by the 3rd year. guys who think otherwise were doing bad math when they decided to stay at Express.

Express is a grand place with good opportunities. i wish them all the best. but, i'm glad to be where i am now and i look forward to a good fight for a better CAL. CAL does well = Express does well. win/win for all involved.

just to reiterate, though - PBS SUCKS!

 

[BluDevAv8r]

i must've been the laziest bastage at Express. i never cleared more than $80k (including profit sharing) and i was there a long time.

oh well. the rest in my youth has prepared me for this uphill climb to a higher quality of life at CAL.

Express guys make decent money in the left seat. but, i much prefer flying at CAL. it's better organized, more professional front to back, and offers more career choices. i'll be back to Express pay levels by the 3rd year. guys who think otherwise were doing bad math when they decided to stay at Express.

Express is a grand place with good opportunities. i wish them all the best. but, i'm glad to be where i am now and i look forward to a good fight for a better CAL. CAL does well = Express does well. win/win for all involved.

just to reiterate, though - PBS SUCKS!

Yes, PBS does indeed "suck." No doubt there!

And I wasn't a commuter so I bid a lot of day trips that were 6+ hours. That strategy ended up getting me a lot of RX days due to delays which allowed me to then work the system even more. I had a pretty good clue about how the contract worked so that helped too But when you live in base, crediting 100+ hours a month is easy...and you end up not flying anywhere near that. Unfortunately it is a tad different here at CAL (far less soft time to exploit).

-Neal

 

[ClubORD]

I'm on pace for $34-36K first year pay. I know it sucks but my decision to come to CAL was based on long term growth and these pay rates will drastically change (amongst other things) come Contract 08'. However, my pay will more than double come next year.​

I definately do not pick anything up and try to drop as much as possible. I was hired in Oct 06' spent one month on reserve and since holding a line in Feb 07' have averaged 14-15 days off a month (737 EWR). This summer I have been holding either 13-14 days off with at least 1 or 2 weekends or partial weekends off. I am bidding around 65% in base. ​

This is legit, factual, to date information. Please do not let some disgruntled, narrow minded fool tell you what your life will be like by quoting websites and talking to "her friends". ​

 

[ForgedBlade]

I was at about $40k my first year and more than double that second year. Every airline has it's problems, but this has been a great gig so far. The international travel is a blast (although not quite as fun as my ATA days!) and the crews have been great. I never even bothered with my own insurance for the first six months, but I am single and am lucky to be in good health. Time goes by fast here...

 

[StuckMic]

I am still curious how AWACoff made $70,000 his first year. Did you come up with that number by using CRJ Captain's pay for the first 11 months of your "first year" at CAL?

 

["TheBigPicture"]

I am still curious how AWACoff made $70,000 his first year. Did you come up with that number by using CRJ Captain's pay for the first 11 months of your "first year" at CAL?

..........or GUAM??? :beer: