legs/day at SWA?

[redflyer65]

Who cares about LBB if your making 198/hr. with 17+ days off a month?

I wouldn't.

 

[General Lee]

Who cares about LBB if your making 198/hr. with 17+ days off a month?

I wouldn't.

How long will it take someone to make that above? Don't throw in overtime etc.... We at Delta can make $300 an hour as Captains with inverse assignments.... How long, in reality, could it take you to make $198 an hour (without overtime) in today's Southwest? (Starting in the next class) By that time the legacies will make the same, and the variety of routes and planes will be better. All of the legacies that took pay cuts will recoup some or most of what was lost within the next few years. Maybe not all of it, but a good chunk, and without having to fly one plane, domestically only, with multiple legs standard per day.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

Enough about Lubbock. Its a great college town with lots of talent. You have to know where to go.

Productivity does not cause fatigue so much as INACTIVITY causes it. ie a leg to a hub, few hrs on the ground another leg or so.

Duty day is what its all about and ours are in line with everyone elses.

I personally am less tired after six 50min legs than I am after two 3 to 4 hour legs.

 

[SWA/FO]

in one type of plane and that makes you mad.

Yeah, most people at real airlines fly multiple types of planes.

How long, in reality, could it take you to make $198 an hour (without overtime) in today's Southwest?

We dont do hourly....TFP. 1 TFP (Trips for Pay) = 243 miles... aprox 35-48 minutes. When I upgrade at 6 years (very soon) it will be 164.26 per trip (TFP). Convert to hourly = 1.2 * 164.26 = 197.11 per hour. All this is under our current contract, this will get better (and yeah, I believe so)

yeah boyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeee. imp:

 

[redflyer65]

THAT'S what I'm talking about....

Delta 12yr 737 CA, 151/hr.
Delta 12yr 777 CA, 188/hr.


How long to upgrade at Delta?

The SWA trips are way more efficient. No 36 hour layovers. When your at work you work hard and get paid very well. You can translate that 36 hour layover to time at home. I have nothing against Delta, to each their own.

 

[328dude]

What is the upgrade at Delta anyway? 10-12 years? Gee, the water is still blue over the atlantic after all those years of monitoring the autopilot and sharing bunk beds.

 

[General Lee]

THAT'S what I'm talking about....

Delta 12yr 737 CA, 151/hr.
Delta 12yr 777 CA, 188/hr.


How long to upgrade at Delta?

The SWA trips are way more efficient. No 36 hour layovers. When your at work you work hard and get paid very well. You can translate that 36 hour layover to time at home. I have nothing against Delta, to each their own.

I guess going through BK did something to us, since before BK our 777 Captains were making $315 an hour. How long is upgrade at DL? Right now it is about 9-10 years, thanks to 5 years having furloughed pilots and downsizing. Now things are coming back, with new planes coming (good rumors) and hiring (currently 50 a month). Will it go down from 9-10 years? I bet it will. But that 5 year zero growth time period is hard to get away from, and had it not happened it would have been less. We had guys getting Orlando Delta Express 737-200 Captain within one year before 9-11. That really did screw us up, and a few other airlines.

So, I guess upgrade is now at 9-10 year guys that are on the property. Guys getting hired now will probably be less as long as they don't have a 5 year stoppage of growth like we did.


Also, you are forgetting that our current 12 year 737 Captains got a check from our BK claim sale for about $350,000. One check, and after taxes and filling their 2006/2007 401Ks, they probably got $200,000 in cash. And, our pension payment is due soon, probably another $100,000. Can you add that to our lower wages? We also get an 11% raise each month thanks to those 401Ks being full and the company still having to contribute 11% (9% for the DC fund and 2% matching for our 401K)---so we also have an 11% raise to that same pay rate. Please add that and see how that goes.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Quimby]

do I hear 5 pages? 6 maybe?

 

[General Lee]

What is the upgrade at Delta anyway? 10-12 years? Gee, the water is still blue over the atlantic after all those years of monitoring the autopilot and sharing bunk beds.

We already know you guys get naked in the cockpit for new stews...... And for newhires at DL it will be less than the 9-10 years now at DL (thanks to no growth for 5 years after 9-11).

Yeah, the water is still blue over the atlantic, and the babes still walk near the Arc de Triumph in Paris. Are Lubbock, Armadillo, Midland, and Harlingen still holes?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Yeah, most people at real airlines fly multiple types of planes.



We dont do hourly....TFP. 1 TFP (Trips for Pay) = 243 miles... aprox 35-48 minutes. When I upgrade at 6 years (very soon) it will be 164.26 per trip (TFP). Convert to hourly = 1.2 * 164.26 = 197.11 per hour. All this is under our current contract, this will get better (and yeah, I believe so)

yeah boyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeee. imp:

I got a BK claim sale check for $180,000, and will get another one for $100,000 soon for the pension dump, plus an 11% raise on those Delta rates. Add that up boyyyyyeeeeee.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[LearAv8r]

You probably would have got another $200,00.00 if management didn't take those huge bonus'....

Deploy parachute!!!!

 

[GuppyWN]

General,

Captain pay for 6 year guys is $186.45/hr. Straight time. No fuzzy math.

Gup

 

[SWA/FO]

Also, you are forgetting that our current 12 year 737 Captains got a check from our BK claim sale for about $350,000. One check, and after taxes and filling their 2006/2007 401Ks, they probably got $200,000 in cash. And, our pension payment is due soon, probably another $100,000. Can you add that to our lower wages? We also get an 11% raise each month thanks to those 401Ks being full and the company still having to contribute 11% (9% for the DC fund and 2% matching for our 401K)---so we also have an 11% raise to that same pay rate. Please add that and see how that goes.

Just think if Southwest went through bankruptcy!!! We would all get checks in the mail! Probably 1,000,000 each. With all that money why did Delta go bankrupt in the first place? What are they printing money is ATL? Is this what that dude is talking about on Sunday mornings? "I just sit at home and the checks roll in."

Great money like that what did you give up, besides your future?

 

[scoreboard]

How long, in reality, could it take you to make $198 an hour Bye Bye--General Pee

Dude, you airlines going to be bankrupt AGAIN before you ever see those rates. Good luck with that.

 

[328dude]

To much fuzzy math over there. Dosen't help the new hire one bit. Let's see, I got a check for $25 dollars in gift certificates to Barnes and Nobles. Can I add that as income too?

Wow, fly 8 hours in an airplane watching the autopilot and sharing bunkbeds, just to see Paris? No thanks. Who changes the sheets over there? Certainly not the holy grail Delta pilot's....

 

[RollinOnMy22sYo]

We already know you guys get naked in the cockpit for new stews...... And for newhires at DL it will be less than the 9-10 years now at DL (thanks to no growth for 5 years after 9-11).

Yeah, the water is still blue over the atlantic, and the babes still walk near the Arc de Triumph in Paris. Are Lubbock, Armadillo, Midland, and Harlingen still holes?


Bye Bye--General Lee

I've spent enough time in Paris AND LBB to tell you in no uncertain terms, the women in LBB are by FAR more attractive, friendlier, sweeter, and practice far, FAR better personal hygiene than the women in Paris.

Parisian girls: Body hair, 3 day old underwear and cigarettes that could double as insecticide, all doused in Chanel perfume. But on the plus side, their 3 day old underwear is generally very stylish.

9 - 10 yr upgrades? Maybe so, but I've got a good friend at DAL who's been there 7+ years, and is bouncing back and forth between line holder and reserve as a 737 FO.

 

[On Your Six]

Dude, you airlines going to be bankrupt AGAIN before you ever see those rates. Good luck with that.

Great debating effort. Thanks for wasting our time.

I know several SWA pilots and most are happy to be there (no surprise) - but many are either tired or bored by now after several years. That type of flying will do that to a person - it is not an old-timers game. I agree that GL is over-zealous and a bit ridiculous at times, but I find many of these responses to be more emotional than factual - and that says a lot.............

 

[General Lee]

Just think if Southwest went through bankruptcy!!! We would all get checks in the mail! Probably 1,000,000 each. With all that money why did Delta go bankrupt in the first place? What are they printing money is ATL? Is this what that dude is talking about on Sunday mornings? "I just sit at home and the checks roll in."

Great money like that what did you give up, besides your future?

See, you really don't understand the situation, and that makes you look dumb. Delta issued new stock claims to creditors, and we were one of the largest creditors since we gave up the most compared to any group of employees (overall). We, along with all of the other creditors (Boeing, PBGC, Coke) got 60 cents on the dollar for our shares, compared with United creditors getting about 25 cents on the dollar. That is how we did so well. We also negotiated for our pension dump, besides getting a new DC program giving us 9% of our monthly take home pay in a seperate fund, in our own names.

And did we really give up our future? We got set raises, our company is in better shape, and we have another shot at getting a nice chunk of that "lost money" back in the future. We want you to keep your high pay, so we can compare it to our 777 Captain pay (compare it to your smaller 737 pay) and then go from there. Keep it up pardner!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Dude, you airlines going to be bankrupt AGAIN before you ever see those rates. Good luck with that.

Really, that was dumb. We cleaned house financially and have more cash in the bank then you do. And, the LCC onslaught will squeeze you guys too---have fun with that.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I've spent enough time in Paris AND LBB to tell you in no uncertain terms, the women in LBB are by FAR more attractive, friendlier, sweeter, and practice far, FAR better personal hygiene than the women in Paris.

Parisian girls: Body hair, 3 day old underwear and cigarettes that could double as insecticide, all doused in Chanel perfume. But on the plus side, their 3 day old underwear is generally very stylish.

9 - 10 yr upgrades? Maybe so, but I've got a good friend at DAL who's been there 7+ years, and is bouncing back and forth between line holder and reserve as a 737 FO.

I am glad you think the women in LBB are cuter than those in Paris. I love those models in LBB-- they do great walking down the catwalk, of dung. Good, you go get um!

Our junior Captain in NYC is a 98 hire. We are getting 13-15 more 757s from AA (the first two just arrived, at two per month), 6 777LRs next year alone (do you know how many people have to fly those since they all do ultra long haul flying? 4 pilots per flight--2 Captains and 2 FOs), 20 737-700s within the next couple years, and maybe 20 or so MD90s from China if the deal goes through. A lot of upgrading could happen soon. I am waiting for my 738 upgrade, and then the 757/767, and then the 787 if we get them, and 777, and Space Shuttle, etc.


Bye Bye--General Lee