Delta News Conference Scheduled Tomorrow at 9:00. Jetblue????

[Truckdriver]

Why because we are the #1 choice of traveler year after year....time after time. maybe your new uniforms or third new paint scheme will really turn things around......best of luck.

Actually, the #1 choice of LCC's. Before they seperated the categories JetBlue was regularly beaten by CAL. I'm not sure if DAL ever beat JetBlue. It isn't hard to beat the other LCC's out there so being the number one LCC is good, but it doesn't mean your the best airline in the US. I liked it better when the category was best domestic service period and didn't seperate the legacies from the LCC's.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

Obviously the news was as important as what I pulled out of my nose this morning.

 

[Flycatcher99]

I humbly submit this thread as evidence as to why message boards should not require payment for viewing purposes. What a complete and utter waste of bandspace.

 

[General Lee]

Obviously the news was as important as what I pulled out of my nose this morning.

Yes, but you guys are getting really nervous obviously. Neeleman was kicked out for some unknown reason, and the executives create a "change of control" clause to save their future butts. Sure, your other employees have one too, but I bet that could all be changed and the executives have better lawyers and will keep theirs. I bet you will be watching the airline news closely for awhile.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[737 Pylt]

Why because we are the #1 choice of traveler year after year....time after time. maybe your new uniforms or third new paint scheme will really turn things around......best of luck.

Wrong....CAL is the #1 airline. But why confuse you with facts.
It is however, interesting, watching you guys prepare for a possible buyout! Was anything put in the pilots' contracts for protection?

737

 

[B6Busdriver]

Yes, but you guys are getting really nervous obviously. Neeleman was kicked out for some unknown reason, and the executives create a "change of control" clause to save their future butts. Sure, your other employees have one too, but I bet that could all be changed and the executives have better lawyers and will keep theirs. I bet you will be watching the airline news closely for awhile.

Bye Bye--General Lee

I've heard of blue balls and beer balls but this sounds like post bankruptcy balls.

 

[NewmanF16]

Actually, the #1 choice of LCC's. Before they seperated the categories JetBlue was regularly beaten by CAL. I'm not sure if DAL ever beat JetBlue. It isn't hard to beat the other LCC's out there so being the number one LCC is good, but it doesn't mean your the best airline in the US. I liked it better when the category was best domestic service period and didn't seperate the legacies from the LCC's.

Actually, according to the JD power survey http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2006102 , JetBlue scored 820/1000, topping all categories. CAL scored 697/1000. Although the survey was seperated into multiple class carriers vs single class carriers, the survey is the same. If they had not broken the survey into two classes, CAL would have finished behind all the LCCs.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

The "buyout" provisions were also this week supplemented by a new Loss of Liscense/Disability package that will pay pilots the average of last 12 months pay until mandatory retirement age. Jetblue management continues to address what the pilots desires are, and so far, they've been prudent, cautious and incrementally successful in that respect. Now, as far as buyouts/mergers-- I think Delta would be the last airline to buy us out. Why would they spend 2.5 billion in market share and absorb our 5-7 billion in debt (debt that they just shed) for a mostly domestic carrier with no fleet commonalities? It sure doesn't make sense to me, but heck, I'll take their offer to boost our stock price. Even if it gets that far, the DOT would say "no way Jose" when they look at the route structure that Delta shares with us. If we get bought out, it'll be through an entity outside of aviation; frankly, no one in the airline industry has what it takes to financially or the fortitude to take us on-- look how the Airtran/Midex thing is going, their merger makes the most sense and they still can't "get er done"...

 

[On Your Six]

I hear the Skybus/Jet Blue talks have resumed again... "Blue Bus" will be a great airline and it will recruit its pilots from Mexico and pay with Pesos - what a great concept for the low-cost segment!

 

[Daedalus]

Actually, according to the JD power survey http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2006102 , JetBlue scored 820/1000, topping all categories. CAL scored 697/1000. Although the survey was seperated into multiple class carriers vs single class carriers, the survey is the same. If they had not broken the survey into two classes, CAL would have finished behind all the LCCs.

Yeah, but the Delta guy stated that CAL was the best domestic airline and we all know they're never wrong!

 

[J32driver]

Was anything put in the pilots' contracts for protection?

737

No change. Same thing its been since day one. 12 months pay and instant vesting of all stock options.

 

[DIAMONDDD]

No change. Same thing its been since day one. 12 months pay and instant vesting of all stock options.

PLUS, we keep the ties and the blue gloves.

 

[PuffDriver]

make nomistake about it. Delta will not consumate with jetblu. they will wait for jetblu to implode. the merger partner for Delta will be the airline who is not on the radar. that airline is hawaiin. mark the words. the next ceo will be announced and the announcement will be forthcoming. jetblu may die soon and delta may lease their terminal at a pittance of the cost that jblue had it for. jblue is headed the way of the dodo. no more soup for you.

 

[737 Pylt]

Yeah, but the Delta guy stated that CAL was the best domestic airline and we all know they're never wrong!

That's right, and don't you ever forget that!

737

 

[Heavy Set]

The "buyout" provisions were also this week supplemented by a new Loss of Liscense/Disability package that will pay pilots the average of last 12 months pay until mandatory retirement age. Jetblue management continues to address what the pilots desires are, and so far, they've been prudent, cautious and incrementally successful in that respect. Now, as far as buyouts/mergers-- I think Delta would be the last airline to buy us out. Why would they spend 2.5 billion in market share and absorb our 5-7 billion in debt (debt that they just shed) for a mostly domestic carrier with no fleet commonalities? It sure doesn't make sense to me, but heck, I'll take their offer to boost our stock price. Even if it gets that far, the DOT would say "no way Jose" when they look at the route structure that Delta shares with us. If we get bought out, it'll be through an entity outside of aviation; frankly, no one in the airline industry has what it takes to financially or the fortitude to take us on-- look how the Airtran/Midex thing is going, their merger makes the most sense and they still can't "get er done"...

If it costs more money to pay the NYC teamsters to build a new facility at aging JFK than to buy Jetblue and get a new terminal and some 100 seaters, Delta would probably consider it. Instead of getting all worried Blue Bayou, just look at the facts and try to figure out why this is happening. DN, your founder, was pushed out of his job. Why? He disagreed with the board about something. The board then approves a "change of control" provision, which some analysts insist is a precursor to a merger or acquistion. Does that mean it actually will happen? Maybe not. But those two things together have to make you wonder what is going on, something that you don't know about and won't until it happens. That can't tell you, that would be insider information.

As far as someone taking over a competitor, the US attempt at Delta would have left many cities without service (that could happen here, although most JB cities are big enough to retain service), and also dismantled a few hubs. Would any hubs be gone with a JB acquistion by Delta? No. Would there be less jobs? Maybe not. Would there be a little less congestion at the biggest cess pool airport, namely JFK? Yes. That could be attractive to many polititians. Maybe your unions could get together a petition and, wait, nevermind.

 

[Heavy Set]

make nomistake about it. Delta will not consumate with jetblu. they will wait for jetblu to implode. the merger partner for Delta will be the airline who is not on the radar. that airline is hawaiin. mark the words. the next ceo will be announced and the announcement will be forthcoming. jetblu may die soon and delta may lease their terminal at a pittance of the cost that jblue had it for. jblue is headed the way of the dodo. no more soup for you.

Hawaiian would be a small burp during dinner for Delta. That is small potatos. How many planes would that bring over to the Delta side? 30? I have seen more than 30 Delta planes at their MX hanger on some holiday weekends. That acquistion could be done over a golf game. I would think a larger acquistion could be in the works, like Alaska or JB. Hawaiian would be a great side story on page 2. Any merger would have to be strategic and complementary to Delta's current network. Alaska would make sense then, since it would fill out Delta's gap on the west coast. Jetblue would offer a new terminal and a 100 seater.

 

[Heavy Set]

No change. Same thing its been since day one. 12 months pay and instant vesting of all stock options.

Didn't Delta pilots have a no furlough clause in their last contract? Delta figured out how to get rid of that, they could probably get your executives to sign off on getting rid of your 12 month pay, as long as they get to keep their's. That is the way executives do it, and they have better lawyers.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

The problem with the no furlough clause was the exception. The company saw fit that 9/11 was "War" and that allowed the furloughs.
I would venture to guess that if DAL went after JB it would be a purchase not a merger. Ergo, the ALPA merger and fragmentation clause would not be exercised. Furthermore I would venture to guess that the judge/ arbitrator would state that the Jet Blue contracts are not protected by the railway labor act. Basically, it would be one fine mess.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Actually, the #1 choice of LCC's. Before they seperated the categories JetBlue was regularly beaten by CAL. I'm not sure if DAL ever beat JetBlue. It isn't hard to beat the other LCC's out there so being the number one LCC is good, but it doesn't mean your the best airline in the US. I liked it better when the category was best domestic service period and didn't seperate the legacies from the LCC's.

Hey Truckdiver, I mean ... Future Delta Newhire Of the Year (DNOY) ... who cares? We win lots of awards, we screw up, guess what ... people still fly us. And the funny part is ... especially for us jb pilots in the know ... THEY STILL COME BACK AND BUY OUR TICKETS.

Is it because of your sexy smile and starched blue shirt? Maybe it's because of the way you slap that latex against your wrist at the beginning of a Blue Turn. I dunno, for all I know it could be the way you wrap your sexy voice around that PA describing the wx in LGA and once again apologizing for the 4 hr ATC delays into the New York area.

I COULD CARE LESS .. as long as you keep on doin' that magic that you do.

#1 choice of LCCs? Whatever. THE ENTIRE AIRLINE INDUSTRY IS A LCC.

Peace my brutha.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

make nomistake about it. Delta will not consumate with jetblu. they will wait for jetblu to implode. the merger partner for Delta will be the airline who is not on the radar. that airline is hawaiin. mark the words. the next ceo will be announced and the announcement will be forthcoming. jetblu may die soon and delta may lease their terminal at a pittance of the cost that jblue had it for. jblue is headed the way of the dodo. no more soup for you.

You need to check your facts. The PANY owns the terminal. EVEN IF jb went the way "of the dodo" as you so intelligently described a bankruptcy filing ... terminal 5 would be most likely be auctioned off to the HIGHEST bidder (in order for the PANY to make the most money).

Duh.