80-100hrs of IOE at mesa??

[JDREsquire1224]

While absurd, at least give credit to Mesa for simply NOT sticking these guys out on the line after 30 hours or so by lowering their qual standards. At least they have the insight to acknowledge the problem with hiring such inexperienced problems and put forth the proper time to train them. It's certainly not as if they want to hire such incompetence, but they've got a business to run, and I'm glad to hear that are putting in the time to run is safely, which is my utmost concern when flying.

 

[JoeMerchant]

The supply is weak compared to demand, therefore the value of the supply and competition for it is greater.

ECON 101

Exactly.... what would the supply be like if the entry requirements were higher? If the minimums were 1200 hours, then none of the regionals would be filling classes right now....

What would they do then.... they would raise their pay until they could fill their classes....

ECON 101 indeed..... Supply and demand.... We need to tighten the supply more....

 

[T-prop]

That would be nice. . . now I understand your point. It'll be an interesting few years ahead.

 

[T-prop]

While absurd, at least give credit to Mesa for simply NOT sticking these guys out on the line after 30 hours or so by lowering their qual standards. At least they have the insight to acknowledge the problem with hiring such inexperienced problems and put forth the proper time to train them. It's certainly not as if they want to hire such incompetence, but they've got a business to run, and I'm glad to hear that are putting in the time to run is safely, which is my utmost concern when flying.

Oh, trust me. It's not Mesa who decided to increase IOE. It is the check-airmen there who are risking their jobs fighting Mesa to be able to give extra IOE.

 

[JoeMerchant]

My parents didn't raise me to be the type of person that backs down from what he believes in. Sorry, but I refuse to put my tail between my legs on this.

My parents didn't raise me to pick a fight I couldn't win.... Don't show up to a gun fight with a knife...

I'm not backing down Stifler, I want to fight from a stronger postion than we currently have..... You have been listening to the ALPA chest thumpers too much...

ALPA needs to approach this fight differently than they are currently doing... The current approach isn't working...

Don't tuck and run, but dont cut your own nuts off either....

 

[jmreii]

Like anything else, you get what you pay. I wonder what the training costs are like.

 

[labbats]

Some 1500 hour wundercaptain nervous? they don't know enough to be nervous!

Mesa's upgrades have slowed to a crawl. The whole idea was to get in, get your PIC time and get out. Now that process is pushing 3 years minimum, closer to 4.

Mesa is a sinking ship.

 

[OPECJet]

I've been hearing of FNGs with 20 plus sim sessions before passing the checkride. Scary.

 

[Sam Snead]

...yet these crews mostly don't crash!

possibly thanks to the Wonder of Modern Technology?

Flight Directors?

Radar Altimeters? (Just flare when it sez "10")

?

 

[McRuff]

A friend of mine at mesa just called his training department and got a average of 33 hours.

 

[Soverytired]

A friend of mine at mesa just called his training department and got a average of 33 hours.

Knowing Mesa, I'd say they always paint a rosier picture than what is strictly true.

Let's double that for "fudge factor".

2 x 33 = 66 hrs. Ouch.

 

[Spooky 2]

A friend of mine at Mesa said the average IOE time is now runing 80-100 hours. Sims have been extened from 10 to 15-20 to accomidate the new skill level of the new hires! I'd be really nervous if I was a capt there. Doesn't the FAA have any oversight to say thats too much hand holding?

Maybe but TWA routinely ran 100+ for initial Captain upgrade on the CV880/B727/B707 back in the late 60's and early 70's. Lots of guys did not make it through those programs in those days.

 

[DrProc]

Maybe but TWA routinely ran 100+ for initial Captain upgrade on the CV880/B727/B707 back in the late 60's and early 70's. Lots of guys did not make it through those programs in those days.

Yeah, but those were real airplanes that you had to be a real pilot to fly. We are talking RJ's here.

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

Also in a section of Flying the Line ,a reference was made to the head of the FAA trying to tighten ALL checkrides to an unrealistic standard because he believed all accidents were pilot error, and training to his standard would solve this problem.

 

[Inconceivable]

The head of the FAA is a (biological) female named Marion Blakely.

 

[Grey Ghost]

At SkyWest, the max is 50 hours. Period. In other words, by 50 hours you've either got a successful line check or a termination letter.

It seems like skywest really takes care of their new hires! :nuts:

 

[cwebster2]

The head of the FAA is a (biological) female named Marion Blakely.

"Flying the Line" is a historical account of ALPA and the airlines, read it sometime. Blakely wasnt always the Administrator.

 

[DiverDriver]

Yeah, but those were real airplanes that you had to be a real pilot to fly. We are talking RJ's here.

Can you die flying it? Then it's as real an airplane as it gets. People have died flying RJs. Not sure what is more real than that. The laws of physics will not be suspended for anyone. Not a B707 pilot. Not a RJ pilot.

 

[Bluto]

It seems like skywest really takes care of their new hires! :nuts:

I usually don't find myself defending SkyWest on here, but in this case, I'd rather the company protect the flying public and the employees already on property (Captains) than try to polish the proverbial turd. SkyWest gives its new-hires ample opportunity to succeed, those that don't probably shouldn't be flying the line anywhere.

 

[Flip]

A friend of mine at mesa just called his training department and got a average of 33 hours.

Thats the average total time of a new hire!!!!!!!!!!