NetJets Places Order For 96 New Aircraft

[skiandsurf]

I challenge you to find one NetJets pilot who will say he doesn't care at all about low SIC pay or the domicile issue. One.


Such bitterness already....

Not bitter just stating the facts. And as far as that one pilot that doesnt care, how many voted for the current contract that put us in domicles.

 

[CA1900]

Not bitter just stating the facts. And as far as that one pilot that doesnt care, how many voted for the current contract that put us in domicles.

At least 50%, obviously. But that same contract also gave newhires a 44% raise, which pretty well negates the claim that they don't care about FO pay. And it eliminated the training contract for newhires.

 

[fischman]

Not bitter just stating the facts. And as far as that one pilot that doesnt care, how many voted for the current contract that put us in domicles.

You voted yes as well

 

[Ultra Grump]

With 20 captain bids per month x 12 months=240 captains bids/yr.

At the rate of 5 "true upgrades"/month= 4 yrs for 240 "true upgrades".

Last awards, 15 of 36 awards were upgrades. 11 of 23 of the latest bid postings were Ultra, Encore, and 400 slots.

But when a bid comes out for 30 captain positions, and 20 of those seats are taken to current captains, it delays the rest of us.

So 15 of 34 slots were SIC upgrades…

19 upgrades, 12 movers.

At what point do you man up, admit you were wrong, and stop crying about this?

 

[Ultra Grump]

You voted yes as well

No doubt.

 

[Gator1999]

A PIC doesnt upgrade. A PIC may delay (prevent) SICs from upgrading.

First of all, I would consider a PIC going from the X to a PIC in the the EASY an upgrade, wouldn't you? Not in the sense of a SIC to a PIC, but an upgrade in pay within the classes of aircraft, which is what is happening.

Not bitter just stating the facts. And as far as that one pilot that doesnt care, how many voted for the current contract that put us in domicles.

You want the facts...The fact is, you took the job knowing that you were going to be in a domicile. No one put you in a domicile. You put yourself there when you decided that this was the job that you wanted. If you don't like it, I'm sure that you are skilled enough of a pilot to go work somewhere else.

Go ahead and blame us pre-contract guys all you want for your commuting or QOL woes...you're still domicile based and the more you bitch about it, the more unhappy you make yourself.

 

[skiandsurf]

First of all, I would consider a PIC going from the X to a PIC in the the EASY an upgrade, wouldn't you? Not in the sense of a SIC to a PIC, but an upgrade in pay within the classes of aircraft, which is what is happening.


...Personally, I wouldnt go thru a month of training for a $1000-$2000 a year payraise. Not worth it. If you meet the requirements, you can be an IOE type and make much more money....isnt it $12,000/yr.



You want the facts...The fact is, you took the job knowing that you were going to be in a domicile. No one put you in a domicile. You put yourself there when you decided that this was the job that you wanted. If you don't like it, I'm sure that you are skilled enough of a pilot to go work somewhere else.


....Again, for me, the Domicle works to my advantage. I live in Newport Beach, so its either SNA or LAX. I really dont like flying into SNA in the back of an airliner, so LAX is doable. Since I am domiciled, I park my car in The Parking Spot next to the Hilton. My car is close if I need it, its out of the sun, and the company pays for me to park there.

Go ahead and blame us pre-contract guys all you want for your commuting or QOL woes...you're still domicile based and the more you bitch about it, the more unhappy you make yourself.

Guys, I am not "unhappy". I really like this job, and would not leave. I am getting a little tired of the arrogance of these NJ pilots. Most of these guys that have been around here have such a big head, but remember, "youre not a real pilot, until you have gone thru a strike, merge, layoff, bankruptcy, or liquidation". For my sake, I hope you never have to experience this.

 

[gunfyter]

. I am getting a little tired of the arrogance of these NJ pilots. .

"Arrogance. I like that in a pilot."
--Top Gun--

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We will be going through a merger after 2008.

 

[gutshotdraw]

"Arrogance. I like that in a pilot."​

--Top Gun--​

We will be going through a merger after 2008.

"You keep thinking Butch. It's what you're good at."

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid

 

[Gator1999]

...Personally, I wouldnt go thru a month of training for a $1000-$2000 a year payraise.

Look at the payscales again...your numbers aren't accurate. Compare between Class 1,2,3 numbers and Class 4 numbers.

....Again, for me, the Domicle works to my advantage. I live in Newport Beach, so its either SNA or LAX. I really dont like flying into SNA in the back of an airliner, so LAX is doable. Since I am domiciled, I park my car in The Parking Spot next to the Hilton. My car is close if I need it, its out of the sun, and the company pays for me to park there.

So if you are so happy, why do you complain about "how many voted for the current contract that put us in domicles." ?

I am getting a little tired of the arrogance of these NJ pilots.

What did I post that gave you the idea that I am one of these arrogant NJ pilots?

 

[acaTerry]

Arrogance? Skiandsurf, realize the fact that many of our "arrogant" pilots HAVE done through a strike, merger, etc. We were not born wearing a NetJets uniform.
You sound like you took a job expecting someone to change things just for you. Sorry, but after 16,000 hours you should know better. Don't blame the guys who are excercising the privelege of their seniority for your commute, lack of movement or whatever. The were here before you, and you wait your turn just like everybody else including the guys who you complain about. Why on earth did you come here?

 

[DO-82 driver]

Skiandsurf, Why did you wait until after the CBA was ratified before coming here?

Stop throwing your little temper tantrum and deal with the Domicile for now. Come 2010, hopefully sooner, you'll hopefully have a chance to vote on something different.

Thank God the other F/O's don't carry on like this.

Its starting to get old.

Go ahead...fire away.

 

[theskyking]

I'm one of the other FO's and I'm tired of hearing it to.

S&S, if it's so bad, leave already. I think Mesa might be hiring street captains. Take it. Hurry.

Or you could jump ship to Citation Shares. They don't have that frustrating little seniority list getting in the way of upgrades.

Believe me, I just want you to be happy. I don't think NJA can do that for you. That immediate gratification you are looking for may take a little while. Frustrating, I know. If I can help you get that resume polished up or address some envelopes for you, let me know. I'm here for you.

 

[RNObased]

"You keep thinking Butch. It's what you're good at."

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid

Awesome quote.... Love that movie.

Another good quote from that flick is;

"Who are those guys??"

 

[RNObased]

Guys, I am not "unhappy". I really like this job, and would not leave. I am getting a little tired of the arrogance of these NJ pilots. Most of these guys that have been around here have such a big head, but remember, "youre not a real pilot, until you have gone thru a strike, merge, layoff, bankruptcy, or liquidation". For my sake, I hope you never have to experience this.

Arrogance huh, sounds like you have the issue with arrogance. I'm truely sorry you didn't walk into the company and they saw your greatness, then put you right into the left seat of DA2000. But then you would have to hang out with Gun.

Senority is double edged sword.