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PHOENIX, June 28 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The following statement is from the union leaders of the America West unit of the Air Line Pilots Association, Int'l. (ALPA).
In a desperate move, the pilots of US Airways are attempting to overturn an arbitrated seniority award by suing their own union. All 60,000 pilots represented by the Air Line Pilots Association will now be forced to use their union dollars to defend this complaint brought by the disgruntled pilots at US Airways.
Over the past two years, the America West and US Airways pilot groups have strictly adhered to ALPA Merger Policy to determine a new combined seniority list, as a result of the merger of the two airlines. This process included negotiations, mediation and arbitration. The failure of both sides to negotiate a settlement resulted in an arbitrated award that is final and binding.
While the "east" pilots characterized the award as "wholesale destruction," no US Airways pilot lost their position, base or pay. Instead, the award slotted 517 US Airways pilots at the top of the new seniority list, protected their desired international flying and assured them access to all growth at the airline. Despite the fact that on the eve of the merger, the pilots of US Airways were in their second bankruptcy, had more than 1,500 pilots on furlough and were facing liquidation, they believe that they are entitled to a new seniority list that would place their pilots, even those that were laid off at the time of the merger, above all their peers at America West.
The US Airways pilots erroneously pride themselves on having more experience than their counterparts at America West without any regard for the diverse military, airline and corporate backgrounds of all America West pilots. This arrogant approach to seniority is an inaccurate representation of the professionalism and experience of thousands of pilots represented by ALPA. Additionally, this lawsuit is a giant step backwards for all US Airways pilots both "east" and "west." Instead of focusing their resources on contract negotiations with management to obtain better pay, work rules and retirement for their pilots, the leadership of the US Airways "east" pilots is spending limited resources to overturn an arbitrated award.
In the meantime, US Airways management continues to cash in on millions of dollars in savings by keeping their pilots on one of the lowest pay scales in the industry. All pilots of the new US Airways deserve better and it is unfortunate the pilot union leaders on the "east" prefer litigation rather than abiding by their own union policies already established governing seniority integration.
The America West unit of ALPA is based in Phoenix and represents over 1800 pilots.
America West unit of the Air Line Pilots Association, Int'l.
 
Wow. Someone should have saved this is the "drafts" folder until they cooled down. It sounds like a whiney eighth-grader wrote it.
 
Wow. Someone should have saved this is the "drafts" folder until they cooled down. It sounds like a whiney eighth-grader wrote it.

Versus the whiney eighth-graders that actually filed the lawsuit?
 
I don't disagree with the message, just the phraseology. It's a press release, so it should have been written to AP journalist standards and as you can see, it was not.

It sounds like they're just firing back at US Air guys, who couldn't give a rat's ass anyway.
 
I don't disagree with the message, just the phraseology. It's a press release, so it should have been written to AP journalist standards and as you can see, it was not.

It sounds like they're just firing back at US Air guys, who couldn't give a rat's ass anyway.

Instead of talking s hit, why don't you compose a journalistic copy so that it can be sent to the media??

WD.
 
I could have saved the West MEC some time. It should have just said "Bite me you whiney little babies. You agreed to binding arbitration, go back to work." But that's just me. Flame away.
 
Instead of talking s hit, why don't you compose a journalistic copy so that it can be sent to the media??

WD.

Yo WD:
What's up dog? I hear things are heating up in the southwest, and I'm not talking temperatures!!;)
Looks like you and the rest of the cactus quartet are about to get your ass handed back to you. Of course you'll probably like that with how busy you've been on 44th street lately!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

737
 
Instead of talking s hit, why don't you compose a journalistic copy so that it can be sent to the media??

WD.

Too late. This was already sent to the media and places your MEC squarely on the "barely literate" shelf.

Or are you arguing that that was a fine piece of journalistic AP-style writing?
 
Sounds pretty clear cut and on point to me. Maybe the problem with press releases is that they don't actually say $hit in too many words.
 
seriously though guys, all bs aside, does everybody realize what is going on here? Basically US Airways is forcing all 60,000 pilots to waste our union dues on defending an absolutely frivulous lawsuit.

737 plt...instead of lalking sh#t you should be legitimately considered with the direction things are headed. Over the next 20 years there is a very good chance Dal could be involved in a merger of its own. Hopefully you won't have to deal with a group of whiners on par with AAA.

I would be embarrassed to wear an AAA uniform through any terminal these days. Procedure was followed perfectly and now that they don't like the award they have essentially decided to sue all Alpa pilots. AAA pilots, the gift that keeps on giving.
 
As an outsider looking in I gotta say it doesn't seem "whiney" at all. It pretty much puts it all in a nutshell if you ask me. I think it was very well said and should have been said sooner.

Sorry to the East guys but I have to side with the Westies on this one. I just don't see the East's side of it.
 
As an outsider looking in I gotta say it doesn't seem "whiney" at all. It pretty much puts it all in a nutshell if you ask me. I think it was very well said and should have been said sooner.

Sorry to the East guys but I have to side with the Westies on this one. I just don't see the East's side of it.

AGREED! For a group of guys that would have been on the street rather soon, AWA swooped in and saved you! Be greatful you still have jobs. Did you not see the Buzzards circling over head waiting to pick you too pieces? As a ALPA member, if my dues are WASTED on this Bull$hit lawsuit, this will start a huge divide within the ALPA ranks...not that there is not that already. Captn Prader...ARE YOU LISTENING?
 
Versus the whiney eighth-graders that actually filed the lawsuit?

Amen bro! Amen!

Is that the new word to describe someone that says it like it is instead of being PC? Whiney? GMAFB!
 
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As an outsider looking in I gotta say it doesn't seem "whiney" at all. It pretty much puts it all in a nutshell if you ask me. I think it was very well said and should have been said sooner.

Sorry to the East guys but I have to side with the Westies on this one. I just don't see the East's side of it.


Ditto, there is no need to mince words anymore. Call it like it is. The East's position will be DOA.
 
AGREED! For a group of guys that would have been on the street rather soon, AWA swooped in and saved you! Be greatful you still have jobs. Did you not see the Buzzards circling over head waiting to pick you too pieces?

Be fair, here. Drunkie Dougie has admitted himself that AWA would not have survived as a stand-alone carrier. They needed USAir as much as USAir needed them.

As a ALPA member, if my dues are WASTED on this Bull$hit lawsuit, this will start a huge divide within the ALPA ranks.

I suspect that both MECs are digging into their own budgets to fund the lawsuit and defense. I seriously doubt that ALPA will approve an extra OCF grant as a result of this lawsuit. They'll probably have to get by with their existing budgets.
 
Wow. Someone should have saved this is the "drafts" folder until they cooled down. It sounds like a whiney eighth-grader wrote it.


Actually, it sounds good (based on my nineth or tenth grade grammer level). This is how leaders need to communicate. No BS and to the point. Not saying that I agree or disagree with the arbitration. But, it sounds fairly accurate without all the politically correct fluff. This guy needs to work for that Big Balls Airline.
 
Be fair, here. Drunkie Dougie has admitted himself that AWA would not have survived as a stand-alone carrier. They needed USAir as much as USAir needed them.
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We are being fair. and you need to be accurate. Parkers comments were more along the lines of there being a possiblity of being in BK if things didn't get better. And he said consolidation is needed and AWA needed to be included. AAA was weeks away from LIQUIDATION. Take AAA capacity out of the system and AWA would have been able to avoid a BK. AAA and AWA were not anywhere near each other as far as financial condition. AAA had info posted on the ALPA national web boards on how to apply for unemployment in their respective states. And yet these guys claimed that the bottom guy on the list was going to retire off the A-330 at #19 on the list. How did he do that with a straight face. With out the merger you guys had no airline, hence no attrition to claim.

We are supposed to be better off now that we are together. We would have been but now you guys are doing your very best to wreck it.
 
Be fair, here. Drunkie Dougie has admitted himself that AWA would not have survived as a stand-alone carrier.
That's called spin. He was appeasing his new subjects. There's no financial evidence that AWA was anywhere close to bankruptcy. Nicolau commented on this in his ruling.
 
737 plt...instead of lalking sh#t you should be legitimately considered with the direction things are headed. Over the next 20 years there is a very good chance Dal could be involved in a merger of its own. Hopefully you won't have to deal with a group of whiners on par with AAA.

Relax Francis.....I'm just having some fun with WD and the girls from AWA!

737
 
Why not quit wasting the funds of ALPA members with THIS suit and save it for the TWA pilots....

stlflyguy
 

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