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Speedtape said:
Your shpeel sounds like every other pilot that has taken a Chief Pilot job. You are either very naieve or blowing smoke! They own you and you will not be doing the same job that you are doing. If they hired you, you may have done too good a job--they simply want to remove you from the process.

If people are scared, they have good reason. People think you have gone to the dark side--because you have gone to the dark side! You have sold your soul, pal, just hope they are paying you well to do it and that you can sleep at night.

Your fellow pilots will be nice to you because now they have to be nice. However, they will talk about you like you are a dog soon. Just curious, what was your motivation?
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Truer words have not been spoken.

I have seen the same situation numerous times. The change will be gradual, you won't notice it at first. People will start to hate you after you discipline your first or second pilot for justifiable reasons.

You have new a master now, I wish you the best of luck.
 
And now Jon Young is serving coffee in Collierville and I'm laughing my a$$ off. It's funny how things can sometimes catch up to you.

I think Don is a great guy for the job, I just hope he doesn't get worn down.

You moving the family to the land of Elvis?
 
I'll sell u a big a$$ house in Lakeland. It's got a big porch that you can sit on, drink scotch ,smoke cigars and think about the little guy.

Good luck Don. And tell Clive he can stick his tounge in right up my "___"
 
Speedtape, you're way off base here. Don hasn't "gone to the dark side," even though I may joke with him by saying he has. ;) He'll only have gone to the dark side if he stoops to their level. I have faith that he'll do the right thing.

And redflyer65, thanks for reminding us all of what happened to Jon Young. It never gets old to hear of what happened to old "Knuckles." :)
 
"Knuckles". Now that's funny. I had to think about that one for a second.

I liked how back in the day he would buy ONE Jepp. database for the Saab KNS-80's. Only one problem, we had over 30 planes!! Funny stuff. Glad he got the can.
 
"losing a good guy to the other team" is certainly one way to look at it. another way is "we got one of our guys on the inside."

nothing says that you have to be an a$$ to be a CP or DO. being an a$$ is not a part of the job, its just the way some handle their position. their job is to run the company at that level. some people choose to be adversarial in that mission, others try to work with the group.

getting a guy in there that may be predisposed to being a good guy is better than the alternative. if you hire an a$$ into that position, you will certainly have one. at least this way you have a chance of having a good boss that tries to be fair and consider the pilots when he can.

i have had the pleasure of working for CP's and DO's who were decent and try to think of the pilots... it can be done. they cant always be your friend, sometimes they have their job to do...you have to understand that too.

when its time to get your winky whacked.. would you rather it be done by a friend with a ruler or a stadist stranger with a sledgehammer?
 
Speedtape said:
However, he is not the first great guy to take a Chief Pilot job, and certainly not the first ALPA volunteer.
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Don IS the first ALPA member (not to mention ALPA volunteer) to ever grace the Chief Pilot's office at Pinnacle.

The nice thing about taking a managament job is that you can be back on the line just as fast as you came off of it. They cannot terminate your seniority number while you are acting in a capacity not related to your seniority number.
 
DoinTime said:
Don IS the first ALPA member (not to mention ALPA volunteer) to ever grace the Chief Pilot's office at Pinnacle.

The nice thing about taking a managament job is that you can be back on the line just as fast as you came off of it. They cannot terminate your seniority number while you are acting in a capacity not related to your seniority number.
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Well, that did not last long. The Pinnacle Chief Pilot was terminated today; at least, that is what several sources are telling me. He was NOT returned to the line....he was flat out terminated. Have not heard the cause but it better be good.

Actually, you can be terminated if you are proven to be guilty of theft or something very, very serious.
 
Correction...They can terminate your employment but they can't make it stick.
 
WildBlue said:
Well, that did not last long. The Pinnacle Chief Pilot was terminated today; at least, that is what several sources are telling me. He was NOT returned to the line....he was flat out terminated. Have not heard the cause but it better be good.
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WTF? And NOT returned to the line? Can't wait to hear the spin on this one. Sorry 9E guys. Thought that was a positive change for you.
 
YGTBFSM!!

Man, I hate that for ya, Don. I know you're still lurking on here, hope your grievance moves fast and you get back on the line.

Let me know if there's anything I can do for ya', even though I'm way out in ATL.
 
I am here...

I am praying that my brothers and sisters will help the wrong to become a right...

I can only hope for a few I made a difference.
 
Don,

Thanks for your tireless service. It floors me that this lasted 29 days. Your pilot brothers are behind you all the way. I'm hoping you have a big check in your future.
 
dondk said:
I am here...

I am praying that my brothers and sisters will help the wrong to become a right...

I can only hope for a few I made a difference.
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Don, give me a call this weekend.
 
Don,

You helped save my career and my thoughts and prayers are most certainly with you. I truly hope the best comes from this situation. You're one of the finest pilots and gentlemen out there.
 
Don

I heard the news yesterday and was shocked...Hopefully the MEC will be able to get you back through the grievance process...Godd luck to you
 
Hi guys, I know this is private info you are talking about, and a good person's life was impacted by a rotten management trick.

However, we all know that the managers have their clubs where they gather and share their new tricks. With that in mind, could you please give even a sketchy outline of what happened to your chief?

It actually would benefit others to hear what happened so we could all have an idea of what kind of BS to be on the lookout for.

Thanks.
 
That's sorta what I was wondering. I mean 29 days? And Don was challenged at every turn during those 29 days. Sounds kinda fishy.

This is what is really ludicrous.....

We are severly short of pilots. In both seats. Don was ready to just come back to the line....where we really need him. But instead, they decided to completely fire him. How does that make any real sense?
 
If I was Don, and the termination was actionable on a legal basis outside the RLA (discriminatory practice, hostile work environment, wrongful termination), I'd sue the piss out of them, take my cash, and move along to another airline.

In the past, PCL has paid out MILLIONS of dollars in these settlements AND cleared the records of the pilots (and flight attendants) who sued.

The highest dollar amount was just shy of $1 Million (around $800-850k) and that pilot is currently flying for jetBlue. One who settled for just shy of $700k is also flying PIC Part 121 again (I testified in his termination lawsuit).

The only way to teach PCL management a lesson is to spank them where it counts... the pocketbook. Looks like they have forgotten some lessons of the past and need a refresher course.

Take the money and RUN! Good luck to you, buddy...
 
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what happened is that Don saved a crapload of pilots from getting canned in the past while working C3, and the fact that Don is well liked by the pilot group. Managment knew that it would be difficult to get rid of him so the came up with this B.S.
 

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