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Dude, you are preaching to the choir. Without ASA and Comair, Delta would have been in Chtr 11 much sooner! But hey...atleast you got a big check and 401 deposit...that must be nice, right along with 16 900's! Yeah...your killing me!:rolleyes:
 
Tomct said:
Dude, you are preaching to the choir. Without ASA and Comair, Delta would have been in Chtr 11 much sooner! But hey...atleast you got a big check and 401 deposit...that must be nice, right along with 16 900's! Yeah...your killing me!:rolleyes:
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How do you enjoy Comairs CRJ-700's over there?


Comair and ASA didn't keep Delta afloat. GE, AMEX, and the Ch.11 process did. Comair and ASA don't exist without Delta.
 
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Tomct said:
Dude, you are preaching to the choir. Without ASA and Comair, Delta would have been in Chtr 11 much sooner! But hey...atleast you got a big check and 401 deposit...that must be nice, right along with 16 900's! Yeah...your killing me!:rolleyes:
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You do realize that those airplanes are direct replacements for 50-seaters and not growth airplanes, right?
 
uncle said:
Comair was an extremely profitable airline before Delta purchased it.
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Comair and ASA or any other regional are only profitable because they are guaranteed one through their contracts with their mainline partner. When that mainline partner also owns you...is it really a profit???

I want you to take $10 out of your right pocket and place it in your left pocket. Did you just make any money? NO!!!! A Comair profit is offset by a liability on Delta's books somewhere else.
 
uncle said:
Comair was an extremely profitable airline before Delta purchased it.
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How long do you think comair would have been profitable without partnering with DL? Just ask yourself that and consider ACA/Indy Air, and get back to us, know it all!

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asayankee said:
Comair and ASA or any other regional are only profitable because they are guaranteed one through their contracts with their mainline partner. When that mainline partner also owns you...is it really a profit???
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Comair did not have a fee per departure agreement before Delta bought them. They set their own prices and even sold their own tickets. They were extremely profitable.
 
HarryParatestes said:
Delta will always be in trouble. They suck, ASA sucks, Comair sucks, Skywest sucks and all associated with Delta sucks.
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Anybody who thinks Delta is out of trouble has forgottenthe lessons of Pan Am. They are buiding a huge international route structure and raping their domestic feed to do it. CRJ's can't carry the bags for 50 passengers connecting to international flights. It is ridiculous. The funny thing is, their stock is now worth less than what USAir offered.
 
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The company is now valued at .5 million less than USair was willing to pay. The executives didn't want it because they wouldn't get "paid" ie. stock cash out since most would be removed during the merger. They will need a few months to take the cash out of the company that they transfered from the pilots and other employees during the "mock" bankruptcy.
100 seat scope is the next sellout...just watch
 
Zephy40 said:
Anybody who thinks Delta is out of trouble has forgottenthe lessons of Pan Am. They are buiding a huge international route structure and raping their domestic feed to do it. CRJ's can't carry the bags for 50 passengers connecting to international flights. It is ridiculous. The funny thing is, their stock is now worth less than what USAir offered.
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Pan Am never had feed. Delta has the best hub airport in the world in ATL, which has more passengers flying through it than any other airport. A lot of the 50 seat RJs are leaving in favor of the 76 seaters which can carry more revenue passengers connecting on those international flights, and more bags. And, ASA's bad press is allowing other regionals to come into ATL and try to offer a better product, which can only help. There are a lot more E170s and CR9s flying around which means a first class option for premium passengers. Delta is taking advantage of foreigners and their international capital, which is all higher than the dollar right now. People in Europe think Delta tickets are cheap, and Delta can charge more and fly mainly Europeans back and forth over the pond, and make more money than just taking Americans over and back. They are obviously focusing on money making routes, and if you need to compare the stock prices when high oil is hurting everyone, well, you just don't know what you are talking about. We all know USAir is a sorry place to be right now, and it will only get worse there, just ask any USAir pilot (east or west). Delta has held steady in the same range of market price since the stock came out (around $19 a share), while others have gone down. Future profits will advance that price upward most likely.
 
Actually it was Shuttle America (E-170) that received the highest customer satisfaction/performance out of the entire system, including mainline.
 
Congrats!

Max Props Dude,

You shuttle america guys must rock! You have like 10 planes to keep up with and stuff. Maybe you can come teach us how not to suck since you have done such a great job managing your vast fleet!
-Kool Aid all around, please
 
Jmoney said:
Max Props Dude,

You shuttle america guys must rock! You have like 10 planes to keep up with and stuff. Maybe you can come teach us how not to suck since you have done such a great job managing your vast fleet!
-Kool Aid all around, please
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Actually, Shuttle/CHQ has 191 aircraft, including 79 170/175s...... Maybe you should get your facts straight before shooting you mouth off..... ALPA KoolAid all around......
 
Tomct said:
wmuflyguy said:
How do you enjoy Comairs CRJ-700's over there?

Seeing how Comair stabbed us in the back...TWICE...NO, I don't feel bad! Nice try though...:bawling:
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Off course we flew CMR passengers in CMR aircraft during their strike..... ALPA has failed us all and we simply point fingers at our fellow pilots..... the blame lies with those whom you pay your union dues to, not your fellow pilots.... but you probably won't understand that statement......
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JoeMerchant said:
Tomct said:
Off course we flew CMR passengers in CMR aircraft during their strike..... ALPA has failed us all and we simply point fingers at our fellow pilots..... the blame lies with those whom you pay your union dues to, not your fellow pilots....
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You try to make it sound as if ASA flew struck work. You know better.
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JoeMerchant said:
You try to make it sound as if ASA flew struck work. You know better.
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We did not fly ALPA defined struck work Fins, but we did fly CMR passengers in CMR aircraft during their strike.... Why wasn't that "struck work"? I never once said we flew "struck work".

What is so magic about the term "struck work"? We have an ALPA committee chairman who did fly "struck work" and is a scab. We did fly CMR passengers in CMR aircraft while they were on strike. We are now accepting CMR 700s.... Everyone needs to get real with this ALPA propaganda..... It has been and continues to be a huge failure.

I know you understand this, and I can't understand why you are defending ALPA.....
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9rj9 said:
The company is now valued at .5 million less than USair was willing to pay. The executives didn't want it because they wouldn't get "paid" ie. stock cash out since most would be removed during the merger. They will need a few months to take the cash out of the company that they transfered from the pilots and other employees during the "mock" bankruptcy.
100 seat scope is the next sellout...just watch
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What's the matter baggage boy, mommy cut your "chuck e cheese's" time short today? So you're saying that $500,000 less is the value? If dumb were dirt, you'd cover an acre!
What's it matter what happens....2 things will remain the same:
1. Delta may or may not survive.
2. You will always be a complete jackass!:laugh:


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JoeMerchant said:
Tomct said:
Off course we flew CMR passengers in CMR aircraft during their strike..... ALPA has failed us all and we simply point fingers at our fellow pilots..... the blame lies with those whom you pay your union dues to, not your fellow pilots.... but you probably won't understand that statement......
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OK, so you flew cmr pax in cmr planes, and its ALPA's fault. John, even someone with limited intelligence such as yourself can do better than that!

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JoeMerchant said:
We did not fly ALPA defined struck work Fins, but we did fly CMR passengers in CMR aircraft during their strike.... Why wasn't that "struck work"?
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The Delta pilots had a lot to do with ALPA's toothless definition of struck work in 2001. Technically, ALPA looked the other way - in all likelihood, at least a contributing factor as to why the strike dragged on for three months.

Remember, the Delta pilots already had their new TA by the time we went on strike. A meaningful struck work policy would have really crippled the mothership which the Delta pilots, agreement in hand, were reluctant to do.
 
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