The Arbitration

[PHXFLYR]

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[ableone]

The MDA pilots did not bring any mainline seats to the party. It would have been a windfall had they been awarded a seniority number that reflected a mainline seat.

 

[ALGFLYR]

The MDA pilots did not bring any mainline seats to the party. It would have been a windfall had they been awarded a seniority number that reflected a mainline seat.

Sure they did. Thay had 25 E-170's. Of course the company eventutally sold them. How is that any different than if when the merger was announced, Metrojet was still running? And then the company decided to sell the 737's? There were seats, but they were sold.

 

[The Rookie]

Some facts.

Sure they did. Thay had 25 E-170's. Of course the company eventutally sold them. How is that any different than if when the merger was announced, Metrojet was still running? And then the company decided to sell the 737's? There were seats, but they were sold.

MetroJet was eliminated at the end of 2001. The merger was announced in May 2005. Not even close..
http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/stories/2001/09/24/daily9.html

Republic also had agreed to a purchase option on the EMB-170s and LGA and DCA slots as way to infuse cash into US Airways in March 2005. Again, before the merger was announced.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2005_March_31/ai_n13495208

The fact of the matter is that the AAA Merger Committee and MEC failed the MDA pilots. It's hard to make a case to prove that the MDA pilots were active at the time of the merger when your own Merger Committee presents a list showing you are furloughed! This is not the fault of ALPA National, George Nicolau, or the America West Pilots.

Your own MEC screwed you.

 

[The Rookie]

Disregard the TomatoJet ramblings... I misread your post.

 

[ALGFLYR]

The fact of the matter is that the AAA Merger Committee and MEC failed the MDA pilots. It's hard to make a case to prove that the MDA pilots were active at the time of the merger when your own Merger Committee presents a list showing you are furloughed! This is not the fault of ALPA National, George Nicolau, or the America West Pilots.

Your own MEC screwed you.

NOT TRUE! Who made this up??? The list that the Company puts out shows all the MDA pilots as furloughed, BUT the OFFICIAL list that ALPA provided to the Arbitrator show ALL the pilots that worked MDA as EMB-170 pilots. NO mention of furlough... Just stating the facts...

 

[surfnfly]

I keep reading some AWA people talk about a 7 yr upgrade. What if they would have had to file BK where would the 7yr upgrade be? Gone. As history shows nothing in aviation is a guarantee. Go ask some JetBlue guys where there quick upgrade is now. It's gone that quick.

 

[trainer8]

The MDA pilots did not bring any mainline seats to the party. It would have been a windfall had they been awarded a seniority number that reflected a mainline seat.

The PHL Council 41 S/T was MDA. You can't serve on the Local LEC unless you are an ACTIVE ALPA pilot and on the US AIRWAYS SYSTEM SENIORITY LIST.

A Member of the AAA NC was MDA. You can't serve on the in that position unless you are an ACTIVE ALPA pilot and on the US AIRWAYS SYSTEM SENIORITY LIST.

A Member of the AAA Grievance Committee was MDA. You can't serve on the in that position unless you are an ACTIVE ALPA pilot and on the US AIRWAYS SYSTEM SENIORITY LIST.

The ALPA J4J Coordinator was MDA. You can't serve on the in that position unless you are an ACTIVE ALPA pilot and on the US AIRWAYS SYSTEM SENIORITY LIST.

ALL MDA pilots were Active ALPA Pilots at the time of the Merger, all dues paying members, all on the list.

Now, which list did Nicolau use? Which list did he make his decision from? Which list was supplied to him by the AAA NC? These are important questions.

But this is important, too. Who wanted 1/3 of these 300 active MDA pilots TERMINATED? Who set forth the position to Nicolau that they were inadequate pilots, not worthy to be major airline pilots?

Answer: The AWA MEC.

 

[The Rookie]

NOT TRUE! Who made this up??? The list that the Company puts out shows all the MDA pilots as furloughed, BUT the OFFICIAL list that ALPA provided to the Arbitrator show ALL the pilots that worked MDA as EMB-170 pilots. NO mention of furlough... Just stating the facts...

The list I'm referring to is the AAA Seniority Proposal dated July 1, 2006. Not one pilot on that list is shown to be flying an EMB-170. Every 2004 US pilot is FUR.

I certainly don't disagree with you that the MDA pilots flew under the US Airways certificate and were under the AAA MEC. What I know however, is that Nicolau didn't buy the argument that MDA pilots were active pilots in the regards to the creation of the combined seniority list. If the AAA Merger Committee spent a little less time fighting for a DOH/LOS list and a little more time trying to prove that the MDA pilots were in fact active US Airways pilots, you might have a different outcome in regards to 88/89/90 hires who were working at MDA at the time of the merger.

Have you taken the time to read what Nicolau had to say about the MDA pilots in the Award?

On a side note, I highly disagreed with the AWA Merger Committee notion that the bottom MDA pilots should have been expunged from the list.

But that's just my opinion.

 

[TWA Dude]

I keep reading some AWA people talk about a 7 yr upgrade. What if they would have had to file BK where would the 7yr upgrade be?

Your "What if?" question is irrelevent. Another 9/11 (Heaven forbid) would put several more airlines into bankruptcy. So should Nicolau have tried to work that possibility into his Award too? He interpreted "career expectations" based on the conditions existing on the merger date. The fact is that AWA was solvent with no Chap 11 imminent (check SEC filings) and there were firm aircraft delievery dates. That makes it reasonable to predict the upgrate rate in 2005 would've continued.