It's on.... SFO-MDW, SAN, LAS

[ASADFW7]

Intended as humor only.

That Delta guy thinks he is insulting SWA pilots because we have overnights in LBB and MAF. The last time I looked unless they are fake, boobs still rest to the side when a woman is lying on her back. That doesn't change whether it is on an international layover or domestic.

In response to the BK deal.

That is like a kid in the school yard who has to tell all the kids that his Daddy is the manager at the bank and controlling all the money in town. Sadly, the company that his Dad worked for went bankrupt. Now he is shouting that he/they paid 60% of the money back. Uhm did I miss something?

 

[General Lee]

Intended as humor only.

That Delta guy thinks he is insulting SWA pilots because we have overnights in LBB and MAF. The last time I looked unless they are fake, boobs still rest to the side when a woman is lying on her back. That doesn't change whether it is on an international layover or domestic.

In response to the BK deal.

That is like a kid in the school yard who has to tell all the kids that his Daddy is the manager at the bank and controlling all the money in town. Sadly, the company that his Dad worked for went bankrupt. Now he is shouting that he/they paid 60% of the money back. Uhm did I miss something?

Are you drunk? You don't understand the process, especially if you are drunk. Sleep it off.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[tico]

Are you drunk? You don't understand the process, especially if you are drunk. Sleep it off.


Bye Bye--General Lee

General, I am going against my better judgement here.

You need to give it a rest. Before you post again about how smart Delta was in bankruptcy, post a list of all the small businesses that Delta bankrupted as a result of their actions. The fallout from Delta's moves will have the half life a nuclear explosion. So eat some humble pie and understand that no one thinks that what Delta did had any integrity, morality or honor. Hiding behind a judges skirt did not make you a better airline. The only reason that you are not furloughed is the unfair hand that all of us gave you when you were down. For the couple of airlines left that have never played the sham of a mockery called bankruptcy, the competitive environment just got tougher. Just remember it is not because Delta has any thing more to offer it is because Delta like the rest of the bankrupt airlines cheated......So enjoy your job and be grateful that you have it becuse you do not know how long it will last.......

 

[GuppyWN]

I've never seen anybody more pleased to have a 30% paycut and retirement stripped away from them than the General. Delta royally screwed you guys and all you can do it tout the greatness? Hey man, if you're happy then I'm happy for you.

Gup

 

[CA Calypso]

That was a hillarious diatribe. Really. Wow, you flew on us to Grand Cayman. Welcome to somewhere outside the contiguous 48 states. Seen too much of LBB?

Yeah, Song was created to combat Jetblue. How are they doing now? That Valentine's masacre weekend they had shot their reputation to the Moon. Then, their figurehead Neeleman was ASKED by the JB Board to LEAVE. Yep, he didn't resign on his own either. Sounds like things may be getting interesting over there....hint hint.


I have a "superiority complex I haven't earned....." Hmmmmmm. Well, your pay rates at SWA are thanks to us at DL. We brought the rates up to the top, and had Leo Mullin not bought back $2 billion in stock 2 weeks before 9-11 that evaportated later, we might not have gone into Chap 11, and we might have our own rates closer to where they were before. Your airline has not done anything for the "average pilot" except allowed them to clean the cabin, accept 6 leg days with 25 minute turns, and fly almost naked to make new stews laugh. Even Jay Leno slammed your airline tonight, essentially calling it a cattle car. But hey, atleast you have those cool bomber jackets... You look cool in those in AMA.

Being a part of a sustainable business, eh? What is SWA doing these days? Have you been reading your own press? Gary Kelly is getting nervous. He is trying things to get revenue up to where it has been the last few years, with new gimics. What about the INTL travel bit? He is thinking of ways to try to sustain your pay raises (and your stews) while watching his fuel hedges dwindle and LCCs grow all over the place. We fly INTL passengers mainly from Europe back over here. Why? Because the dollar is cheaper over there, and they can easily afford a $500 ticket to ATL and onto LAS, and we charge them enough to make it work. Our INTL expansion is being copied by Gary Kelly (via ATA maybe someday) because that is where the money is----places where the dollar is cheaper.

And, your stews are getting older and fatter too. A friend of mine recently flew on one of your flights and said one of the stews was very large and corpulent (an SAT word for FAT). And I am sure your stews are soooo much fun on their last leg of the day, their sixth or so. Yeah, they are a blast...

Go to LBB and enjoy it. I won't have to, I will go to Grand Cayman on Delta's dime.


Bye Bye--General Lee

You know what General - you are right. Delta looks for new revenue and they are geniuses. SWA looks for new revenue and the sky is falling.

You are right, Gary Kelly is looking for ways to sustain our wages and benefits. I thank him for it - he recognizes the value of his people. I'm sure that's a concept you will never enjoy at Delta. After all, you're so very proud of dumping the $13 billion in debt. I'm sure the rest of the Delta employees and all of Delta's creditors are proud as well. I don't think you understand what a profound effect your bankruptcy has had on many people. It doesn't matter much to you though - you have a portion of your pension and still get to dress up and fly your shiny jet to far off romantic places.

Debating with you is like arguing with a child. I make aggressive but true factual statements and you respond with personal attacks and gross generalizations. Not once in your response to my "hillarious diatribe" did you offer a well thought out response to the issues I brought forward. Everyone on this board is now dumber for having to read it.

When I spoke of your superiority complex, it had nothing to do with pay. It had to do with your arrogant and superior attitude towards Low Cost Carriers/SWA and its' customers. BTW, you can thank the United pilots for your pre 911 pay rates - they were the ones who took the stand. It was no major accomplishment on your part.

Another great irony is a Delta pilot saying SWA FAs are getting older and fatter!?! Please don't compare SWA FAs with Deltas' - there is no competition. Loosen your double breasted suit - it's choking off the blood flow to your brain.

Enjoy your international revenue for now - jetblue, Airtran, and even SWA will be chipping away at it in the not too distant future. It will start with the Carribean and Latin America and will eventually lead to Europe... Where will you go then?

 

[igneousy2]

You know what General - you are right. Delta looks for new revenue and they are geniuses. SWA looks for new revenue and the sky is falling.

You are right, Gary Kelly is looking for ways to sustain our wages and benefits. I thank him for it - he recognizes the value of his people. I'm sure that's a concept you will never enjoy at Delta. After all, you're so very proud of dumping the $13 billion in debt. I'm sure the rest of the Delta employees and all of Delta's creditors are proud as well. I don't think you understand what a profound effect your bankruptcy has had on many people. It doesn't matter much to you though - you have a portion of your pension and still get to dress up and fly your shiny jet to far off romantic places.

Debating with you is like arguing with a child. I make aggressive but true factual statements and you respond with personal attacks and gross generalizations. Not once in your response to my "hillarious diatribe" did you offer a well thought out response to the issues I brought forward. Everyone on this board is now dumber for having to read it.

When I spoke of your superiority complex, it had nothing to do with pay. It had to do with your arrogant and superior attitude towards Low Cost Carriers/SWA and its' customers. BTW, you can thank the United pilots for your pre 911 pay rates - they were the ones who took the stand. It was no major accomplishment on your part.

Another great irony is a Delta pilot saying SWA FAs are getting older and fatter!?! Please don't compare SWA FAs with Deltas' - there is no competition. Loosen your double breasted suit - it's choking off the blood flow to your brain.

Enjoy your international revenue for now - jetblue, Airtran, and even SWA will be chipping away at it in the not too distant future. It will start with the Carribean and Latin America and will eventually lead to Europe... Where will you go then?

YEAH!! What he said!

 

[General Lee]

You know what General - you are right. Delta looks for new revenue and they are geniuses. SWA looks for new revenue and the sky is falling.

You are right, Gary Kelly is looking for ways to sustain our wages and benefits. I thank him for it - he recognizes the value of his people. I'm sure that's a concept you will never enjoy at Delta. After all, you're so very proud of dumping the $13 billion in debt. I'm sure the rest of the Delta employees and all of Delta's creditors are proud as well. I don't think you understand what a profound effect your bankruptcy has had on many people. It doesn't matter much to you though - you have a portion of your pension and still get to dress up and fly your shiny jet to far off romantic places.

Debating with you is like arguing with a child. I make aggressive but true factual statements and you respond with personal attacks and gross generalizations. Not once in your response to my "hillarious diatribe" did you offer a well thought out response to the issues I brought forward. Everyone on this board is now dumber for having to read it.

When I spoke of your superiority complex, it had nothing to do with pay. It had to do with your arrogant and superior attitude towards Low Cost Carriers/SWA and its' customers. BTW, you can thank the United pilots for your pre 911 pay rates - they were the ones who took the stand. It was no major accomplishment on your part.

Another great irony is a Delta pilot saying SWA FAs are getting older and fatter!?! Please don't compare SWA FAs with Deltas' - there is no competition. Loosen your double breasted suit - it's choking off the blood flow to your brain.

Enjoy your international revenue for now - jetblue, Airtran, and even SWA will be chipping away at it in the not too distant future. It will start with the Carribean and Latin America and will eventually lead to Europe... Where will you go then?

We'll go to the Moon baby, the MOON!!! Seriously, we really don't have to worry about your flights to Latin America or the Carribbean, since you won't have the ability to get any slots at the airports we fly from. (ie--LGA, BOS, ATL, DCA, etc) If you want to go MHT to St Thomas, go right ahead. We have connections via DCI and our SkyTeam members to fill our planes. Will you go to Europe? I thought Gary Kelly said ATA would, not you. Look at your Hawaii connections---via OAK. Only one other airline flies from OAK to Hawaii, and that is Aloha. We really don't care. Our 764 from SFO to HNL does ok load wise, but carries a lot of cargo, and even that 764 is getting switched to fly more Europe and a 767-300 will replace it, still carrying cargo. This whole Europe thing started when Ryanair stated they may start service from Ireland, thanks to being shot down in a balked aquistion of Aer Lingus. Did you know that? Probably not.

You say I don't think I understand what the effect of our BK had on many people......Hmmmm. I saw many of my friends furloughed. I saw the worried looks on many people's faces. I was THERE, and you were not. I still enjoyed flying planes, but I was worried. Overall, it taught me to enjoy the here and now, and love the fact that my wife brings in big bucks. Always MARRY RICH.

Could it be that maybe some SWA stews are geting OLDER, and, gasp, fatter? Um, yeah. It happens. Do I think our stews are all svelt? No, but everyone thinks all of yours are drop dead hot. Wrong.

The problem with you Southwest guys is that you think you have struck the jackpot, from day 1. That really wasn't the case in the late 90s. Many Southwest Captains left Southwest to go to United in the late 90s, and ofcourse then were furloughed after 9-11. It is great that some of your management made some great moves and hedged, and it is great that LCCs have done better over the last few years when "less was more" to some pax. You guys just hate it when other pilots say they would NOT want to fly or do what you do. GASP! Huh? That's right, not everyone wants to fly for Southwest. When someone says that, it is blasphemy. You are paid well, but most of your trips resemble a regional schedule, with multiple legs. For the days you do a transcon, there is always one extra leg that kicks your arse. No thanks. Don't get so defensive, not everyone wants to fly a 737 the rest of their life, for multiple legs per day, with 25 minute turns. If you can't describe your job like I just did, you are dreaming. Enjoy all that time off when you are home, sleeping it all off.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I've never seen anybody more pleased to have a 30% paycut and retirement stripped away from them than the General. Delta royally screwed you guys and all you can do it tout the greatness? Hey man, if you're happy then I'm happy for you.

Gup

I did fairly well with our claim sale, filling my 401Ks for last year and this year, and getting a chunk of change. We will also be getting another payout for our pension (it will probably fill our 2008 401K quota), and we are also getting an 11% raise this year thanks to DL still having to pay our DC fund and 401K match, but this time in cash since our 401Ks are full. I think we are doing fine.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Whataburger]

Did I mention that we were starting SFO service in Aug?

 

[Capt.LongThrust]

Hey Whatabuurger is that near Austin? I mean Austin, Massachusetts. Do you still have puke on your floor? Do they make cheese in Wisconsin? Nice thread by the way.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Hey General...did you pick up any extra fly over the past few years??

 

[Chest Rockwell]

The problem with you Southwest guys is that you think you have struck the jackpot, from day 1. That really wasn't the case in the late 90s. Many Southwest Captains left Southwest to go to United in the late 90s, and ofcourse then were furloughed after 9-11.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Many? Maybe two, and one was a lance captain. At least one called wanting his job back prior to 9-11. You should not be suprised that you have no credibility when you seem to make stuff up all of the time.

There are a lot of great jobs out there at many carriers, including the legacies. Some SWA pilots are a little sensitive due to the fact that many have looked at SWA as being a second-rate airline.

BTW, I feel like I struck the jackpot since the early 90's.

CR

 

[SWA/FO]

no one thinks that what Delta did had any integrity, morality or honor.

yeah, Delta SUCKS!

 

[CaptAntoineMack]

General,

You are one messed up biatch. Your stats are off the mark and your medication needs some adjustment. It has you blind to your situation.

Don't you ever embarrass yourself? You should be. We don't know who you are but you are making your work group look bad.

 

[SWAdude]

Yo General!

Yep. We had some junior pilots leave for United. We also had some junior pilots leave United for us. Didn't hear of any guys leaving for Delta though. I recently flew with a Delta guy that left after 17 years. Couldn't believe what a great place this is compared to Delta.

And I also left AA to fly here.

Stop eating your own poop.

 

[General Lee]

General,

You are one messed up biatch. Your stats are off the mark and your medication needs some adjustment. It has you blind to your situation.

Don't you ever embarrass yourself? You should be. We don't know who you are but you are making your work group look bad.

This is an opinion board, and I give my opinion. If you want to throw my group into this, then that is your fault. I have given my opinion about Southwest, and that not eveyone wants to fly for them. Grow up.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Yo General!

Yep. We had some junior pilots leave for United. We also had some junior pilots leave United for us. Didn't hear of any guys leaving for Delta though. I recently flew with a Delta guy that left after 17 years. Couldn't believe what a great place this is compared to Delta.

And I also left AA to fly here.

Stop eating your own poop.

That Delta guy will probably kick himself in a year or two when he realizes what he did. Multiple leg days with 25 min turns in a 737 is not for everyone. If you like it, great. Not everyone would. Get over yourself. Some people don't want to do what you do. And stop thinking your poop doesn't stink. A lot of you guys are so cocky. Yippy, you fly for Southwest!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[turn&pull]

Pre 911 I jumpseated on a Delta 757 from LAX-ATL-BHM...same plane. I got off in BHM and the crew went on to CVG. Don't tell me you guys don't have some heavy duty days.

 

[FlyinGuy]

General...you forgot to answer my question.

 

[CA Calypso]

We'll go to the Moon baby, the MOON!!! Seriously, we really don't have to worry about your flights to Latin America or the Carribbean, since you won't have the ability to get any slots at the airports we fly from. (ie--LGA, BOS, ATL, DCA, etc) If you want to go MHT to St Thomas, go right ahead. We have connections via DCI and our SkyTeam members to fill our planes. Will you go to Europe? I thought Gary Kelly said ATA would, not you. Look at your Hawaii connections---via OAK. Only one other airline flies from OAK to Hawaii, and that is Aloha. We really don't care. Our 764 from SFO to HNL does ok load wise, but carries a lot of cargo, and even that 764 is getting switched to fly more Europe and a 767-300 will replace it, still carrying cargo. This whole Europe thing started when Ryanair stated they may start service from Ireland, thanks to being shot down in a balked aquistion of Aer Lingus. Did you know that? Probably not.

You say I don't think I understand what the effect of our BK had on many people......Hmmmm. I saw many of my friends furloughed. I saw the worried looks on many people's faces. I was THERE, and you were not. I still enjoyed flying planes, but I was worried. Overall, it taught me to enjoy the here and now, and love the fact that my wife brings in big bucks. Always MARRY RICH.

Could it be that maybe some SWA stews are geting OLDER, and, gasp, fatter? Um, yeah. It happens. Do I think our stews are all svelt? No, but everyone thinks all of yours are drop dead hot. Wrong.

The problem with you Southwest guys is that you think you have struck the jackpot, from day 1. That really wasn't the case in the late 90s. Many Southwest Captains left Southwest to go to United in the late 90s, and ofcourse then were furloughed after 9-11. It is great that some of your management made some great moves and hedged, and it is great that LCCs have done better over the last few years when "less was more" to some pax. You guys just hate it when other pilots say they would NOT want to fly or do what you do. GASP! Huh? That's right, not everyone wants to fly for Southwest. When someone says that, it is blasphemy. You are paid well, but most of your trips resemble a regional schedule, with multiple legs. For the days you do a transcon, there is always one extra leg that kicks your arse. No thanks. Don't get so defensive, not everyone wants to fly a 737 the rest of their life, for multiple legs per day, with 25 minute turns. If you can't describe your job like I just did, you are dreaming. Enjoy all that time off when you are home, sleeping it all off.


Bye Bye--General Lee

General,

"Us Southwest Guys" just realize that we are pretty lucky. 99.99% of us do not have a superiority complex.

I truly couldn't care less if you or other pilots say you would not want to work here. What bothers me is you blasting the type of company we are and perpetuating the stereotypes of regional schedules, ten legs, LBB, etc etc. and then telling us "it is ok if that's the type of flying you like." Who asked you?

And please don't say SWA is where it is today because of some lucky hedging. This place grew from 0 to over 500 aircraft in 36 years. There was some luck. There was also some very methodical planning and execution by very dedicated people who were able to adapt their plans at the drop of a dime.

Is it really that hard to fly from PHL to PHX and do one more quick leg to SAN, LAX, ONT, BUR, or whatever? General, does this one extra leg truly "kick your arse?" If it does, maybe you should look into another vocation -your passengers deserve better.

As far as my schedule, I leave Sunday mornings around 6 AM and return Tuesday afternoons around 2 PM. My overnights are no shorter than 17 hours. I don't do six legs a day nor am I "sleeping it all off" on my days off. I am however in my own bed five nights a week - hardly a regional schedule.

Enjoy Paris, I'll be on my front porch lookin in...