MESA Loses 24 Million!!!!!

[Brazilgun]

I think the mystery is being removed from the question "how did Mesa beat out Comair and SkyWest for Delta Connection Flying?"

It appears SkyWest was smart not to bid flying below their operational costs. However, how long SkyWest can hold out against ExpressJet and Mesa's willingness to bid at less than cost?

Skywest is holding pretty well. I'm sorry you guys at ASA are having so much trouble. If Skywest really want the flying they will bid very agressively. If not, they will put a bid that will have more restrictions. Good example is Midwest flying. We can't even staff what we got. We were not "desperate" for the Delta flying, even though would it be nice. But for one reason or the other, mangmt really want the Midwest flying.

 

[jetexas]

He is obviously paying his pilots too much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Headline USAtoday:

"$250,000/yr MESA pilots working 50 hours a month and bringing the company to its knees with debt!"

 

[pgcfii2002]

Headline USAtoday:

"$250,000/yr MESA pilots working 50 hours a month and bringing the company to its knees with debt!"

GOOD ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Tarzan]

What makes you think XJT is working below cost? As far as I know, DL is getting the same rate that CO gets. If that were the case, then all of our flying would be operated at a loss.

XJT bid the DA flying at cost. Instead of haing planes sitting losing money, at the very least they can break even or lose less money.

 

[antix12]

I am not sure how long this has been known, but I found out today XJT has an additional 8 aircraft heading to Delta for a total of 18. Any flying done for another carrier over 10 aircraft has to be done at the Continental rate or Continental has to get the discounted rate the other carrier is getting.

If I am not mistaken this looks like Delta is paying the same rate CO is.

 

[Superpilot92]

XJT bid the DA flying at cost. Instead of haing planes sitting losing money, at the very least they can break even or lose less money.

Your retarded!! NONE of us know what our bid was for DAL. That isnt public knowledge And you sir pretending you know just makes you look ignorant. Lets see some facts on that mister CEO. :crying:

 

[SoberIrishman]

He'll say pilots are payed too much, and demand paycuts. Of course all the CFIs' working there will agree.

I guess spelling and grammar may get you "noticed", or perhaps "paid" (or is it payed?) more. Remember, in this industry we're not happy until "you're" (or is it your?) not happy!
And what's with all these new guys being lost without an electronic calculator these days to complete an easy W&B load manifest?

Does nobody teach simple Math and English anymore?

 

[Pocono Pilot]

Your retarded!! NONE of us know what our bid was for DAL. That isnt public knowledge And you sir pretending you know just makes you look ignorant. Lets see some facts on that mister CEO. :crying:

Actually, the agreement is an 'At Risk' agreement with Delta. Not good! Look a little harder before you type.

Oh, and pass the koolaid. We ain't doin' so good here at Express.

 

[eaglefly]

That corrupt idiot spent more than that on his toys last year.

He runds this business to build his personal wealth.

No more, no less.

So far, it's worked as there's been no shortage of clueless saps more than willing to help him do that.

My guess is he'll find a way to improve the cluelessness of his flying saps to insure his wealth cash-flow remians unimpeaded.

Backboards from pine to Balsa MIGHT be a good start.

 

[scott hall]

Wow. I hope my pilots take note of this. Not even Mesa can make money in this environment. Its time to say NO to ALPA and their idiotic demands for a contract at ASA.

 

[Flyer1015]

Your retarded!!

It's reasons like these that I love flightinfo forums! Where else would I get my daily dose of irony and humor?

 

[Superpilot92]

Actually, the agreement is an 'At Risk' agreement with Delta. Not good! Look a little harder before you type.

Oh, and pass the koolaid. We ain't doin' so good here at Express.

That's how it used to be in the past why is it so bad now? If its not looking so good why would you pass up a job at CAL? Must not look that bad. Your optimism is inspirational!! Obviously you are a business genius and you should be our CEO, WE NEED YOUR HELP!!!

 

[Superpilot92]

It's reasons like these that I love flightinfo forums! Where else would I get my daily dose of irony and humor?

You're Right!!!

 

[samballs]

I guess spelling and grammar may get you "noticed", or perhaps "paid" (or is it payed?) more. Remember, in this industry we're not happy until "you're" (or is it your?) not happy!
And what's with all these new guys being lost without an electronic calculator these days to complete an easy W&B load manifest?

Does nobody teach simple Math and English anymore?

you must be a fag

 

[Tarzan]

Your retarded!! NONE of us know what our bid was for DAL. That isnt public knowledge And you sir pretending you know just makes you look ignorant. Lets see some facts on that mister CEO. :crying:

Wow! What a well thought out and reasonable response.

I was glad to see the XJT get the flying out of LAXinstead of Mesa. We looked at as it raising the DCI average pay rates. However, I've been told on the side that XJT bid the flying at cost by an individual who would probably know. It let the wind out of my sails to hear that. I hoped it wasn't true but it stands to reason it was.

Get over yourself and understand that when you start tossing barbs to insult others, it doesn't exactly call out intelligence on your part either.

 

[Pocono Pilot]

That's how it used to be in the past why is it so bad now? If its not looking so good why would you pass up a job at CAL? Must not look that bad. Your optimism is inspirational!! Obviously you are a business genius and you should be our CEO, WE NEED YOUR HELP!!!

Maybe I should have taken the CAL job, especially seeing how fast ExpressJet is falling.

But ExpressJet has pretty far to fall before I would lower myself to working for CAL. From what I hear it is the pits there. Worse contract than ours.

Having said all that, I am not blind to how bad things are about to get at ExpressJet if something isn't done - and done fast!

Stop drinking the koolaid. This has Independence Air written all over it.

 

[Superpilot92]

Wow! What a well thought out and reasonable response.

I was glad to see the XJT get the flying out of LAXinstead of Mesa. We looked at as it raising the DCI average pay rates. However, I've been told on the side that XJT bid the flying at cost by an individual who would probably know. It let the wind out of my sails to hear that. I hoped it wasn't true but it stands to reason it was.

Get over yourself and understand that when you start tossing barbs to insult others, it doesn't exactly call out intelligence on your part either.

Bottom Line is Neither you nor I know what My company bid for the DAL flying. So by you coming on here and saying that we are doing it at cost shows what about your Intelligence?? Wind, Sails??? You heard from someone in the "KNOW" then it must be true. Seriously we could have kept those planes and flown them for ourselves why would we give up some of our better planes to DAL just to fly for nothing. By all means if you have some factual Information Please share! In the mean time I am really glad we could come in and raise the DCI avg. :beer:

 

[Superpilot92]

Maybe I should have taken the CAL job, especially seeing how fast ExpressJet is falling.

But ExpressJet has pretty far to fall before I would lower myself to working for CAL. From what I hear it is the pits there. Worse contract than ours.

Having said all that, I am not blind to how bad things are about to get at ExpressJet if something isn't done - and done fast!

Stop drinking the koolaid. This has Independence Air written all over it.

You sound like you are just trying to scare people senior to you into leaving!!Good Play my friend!! Koolaid is such a retarded term and so is comparing XJT to FLYI. Look i am far from a XJT lifer, sure while i am here in am going to enjoy it and Do enjoy it but I am here to get my time built up so i can move on just like you should have done with CAL.

 

[Jack Mehoff]

does anyone know how much of this loss stems from GO!? Seems like the ship is really sinking over there

 

[Poahi]

does anyone know how much of this loss stems from GO!? Seems like the ship is really sinking over there

About $600,000. The biggest part of the loss is from an $30 Million "Incentive Payment" made to UAL. JO was evasive as to what that was for, but it looks to me it was for either keeping or extending the UAX agreement.

The rest of it had mostly to do with higher than forecast maintenance expenses.

United and ATC were blamed for the losses.

BTW, Mesa isn't going to have a contract for at least another 2 years.