Who's a bigger bottom feeder, ASA or Mesa?

[Leroy Smith]

With the attrition happening now, I would doubt that new hires are on reserve more than a month or two.
Two years would put you in the top half, if not the top third on the CRJ FO list.

Nothing to see here......

 

[EMB170Pilot]

It seems like these two companies have become the poster-childs for bottom feeders amongst the regionals, but who is worse?

Easy

Your mom!

Thats right...Your MOTHER.............D!ck


ahhhhhhh flightinfo

 

[sf3boy]

The Correct Answer Is......

Who has the highest number of PFT'ers on the list.....

Pre 9/11, good contract???? They worked for free for the first year.

 

[regionalcap]

I have a friend thats been there close to 2 years, he still can't hold a line and never gets weekends off. I'm trying to get him fired up because he comes on here regularly, mainly trying to get him to come fly freight and show him what real fun is, at least he'll get weekends off and not have to deal with the A-holes he says he flies with there!

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=96362

Hmm..no guaranteed days off...it doesn't sound like you like your company either

 

[dickburns]

Find me a single major pilot that is getting WEEKS off, as you say, other than on vacation. I know 777 drivers that are at home for a MAXIMUM of 3-4 days between trips, and then spend the rest of their day at 380 keeping tabs on an FMS, much like you gear jockeys at ASA and Mesa.

In the freight world, not only do we haul cargo, we FLY our airplanes. 121 Pic turbine time might be important...but to who? 135 PIC turbine time is pretty good too. What would a 121 guy do when he is supposed to be flying a FA-20 out of Laredo down to Juarez and he's standing on the ramp waiting for his release...that's right you don't GET a release, do your own calculations and planning, pal! I doubt a SINGLE rj driver on this board could do any of that, if push came to shove.

Now back to the topic at hand, do the ASA and Mesa drivers ENJOY driving this industry into the ground and turning piloting into the burger flippers of the sky, or is SJS (shiny jet syndrome) just TOO strong that they can't see past the fact that they're gettin to sit in the right seat of a OMG JET!11!! even though it's at minimum wage rates. So sad.

 

[Jack Mehoff]

Find me a single major pilot that is getting WEEKS off, as you say, other than on vacation. I know 777 drivers that are at home for a MAXIMUM of 3-4 days between trips, and then spend the rest of their day at 380 keeping tabs on an FMS, much like you gear jockeys at ASA and Mesa.

In the freight world, not only do we haul cargo, we FLY our airplanes. 121 Pic turbine time might be important...but to who? 135 PIC turbine time is pretty good too. What would a 121 guy do when he is supposed to be flying a FA-20 out of Laredo down to Juarez and he's standing on the ramp waiting for his release...that's right you don't GET a release, do your own calculations and planning, pal! I doubt a SINGLE rj driver on this board could do any of that, if push came to shove.

Now back to the topic at hand, do the ASA and Mesa drivers ENJOY driving this industry into the ground and turning piloting into the burger flippers of the sky, or is SJS (shiny jet syndrome) just TOO strong that they can't see past the fact that they're gettin to sit in the right seat of a OMG JET!11!! even though it's at minimum wage rates. So sad.

Wow so you are better then ANY SINGLE RJ pilot out there? You must be a blast be around. So you must wear your Rayban Aviators to the bar and sport a Tom Selick moustache and a 2 inch tool. Then tell every chick on the property you are a pilot. Get over your self loser

 

[pdub20s]

at mesa in the ERJ you will finish the IOE bid, then hold a line shortly after....

 

[TOOL CRIB]

In the freight world, not only do we haul cargo, we FLY our airplanes. 121 Pic turbine time might be important...but to who? 135 PIC turbine time is pretty good too. What would a 121 guy do when he is supposed to be flying a FA-20 out of Laredo down to Juarez and he's standing on the ramp waiting for his release...that's right you don't GET a release, do your own calculations and planning, pal! I doubt a SINGLE rj driver on this board could do any of that, if push came to shove.

So you enjoy working for your money? That's great. You keep right on doing that. I'll let other people do the work for me. Enjoy tossing your own bags while I toss your girl's salad.

 

[crashpad]

I doubt a SINGLE rj driver on this board could do any of that, if push came to shove.
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And he would gladly do it for less while crossing the picket line.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Find me a single major pilot that is getting WEEKS off, as you say, other than on vacation. I know 777 drivers that are at home for a MAXIMUM of 3-4 days between trips, and then spend the rest of their day at 380 keeping tabs on an FMS, much like you gear jockeys at ASA and Mesa.

In the freight world, not only do we haul cargo, we FLY our airplanes. 121 Pic turbine time might be important...but to who? 135 PIC turbine time is pretty good too. What would a 121 guy do when he is supposed to be flying a FA-20 out of Laredo down to Juarez and he's standing on the ramp waiting for his release...that's right you don't GET a release, do your own calculations and planning, pal! I doubt a SINGLE rj driver on this board could do any of that, if push came to shove.

Now back to the topic at hand, do the ASA and Mesa drivers ENJOY driving this industry into the ground and turning piloting into the burger flippers of the sky, or is SJS (shiny jet syndrome) just TOO strong that they can't see past the fact that they're gettin to sit in the right seat of a OMG JET!11!! even though it's at minimum wage rates. So sad.

What a ******************************bag. Guess what, pal. I used to do exactly what you're doing now. I left it for ASA 8 years ago and, even with the worst of times here it still beats flying a crappy freighter around Mexico and Central America. But, enjoy slinging your boxes and flying 5 nights a week. By the way, I flew the 20, among other things. It ain't the hardest airplane in the world to fly. Try Guatemala City in a Metro single-pilot sometime if you want to talk about how good a pilot you are.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

All of you suck.

 

[Vandal]

All of you suck.

You win.

 

["GO AROUND"]

Find me a single major pilot that is getting WEEKS off, as you say, other than on vacation. I know 777 drivers that are at home for a MAXIMUM of 3-4 days between trips, and then spend the rest of their day at 380 keeping tabs on an FMS, much like you gear jockeys at ASA and Mesa.

In the freight world, not only do we haul cargo, we FLY our airplanes. 121 Pic turbine time might be important...but to who? 135 PIC turbine time is pretty good too. What would a 121 guy do when he is supposed to be flying a FA-20 out of Laredo down to Juarez and he's standing on the ramp waiting for his release...that's right you don't GET a release, do your own calculations and planning, pal! I doubt a SINGLE rj driver on this board could do any of that, if push came to shove.

Now back to the topic at hand, do the ASA and Mesa drivers ENJOY driving this industry into the ground and turning piloting into the burger flippers of the sky, or is SJS (shiny jet syndrome) just TOO strong that they can't see past the fact that they're gettin to sit in the right seat of a OMG JET!11!! even though it's at minimum wage rates. So sad.

You must work for that POS Cherry Air, right? Sounds like loads of fun!!!! Barely maintained a/c, no control of your life cause you have a 20 min. call out, Yea!!!!!

I just flew with an FO here that is right at 2 years and he holds 4 on 3 off and weekends off. Guess your friend is an idiot at bidding.

 

[thebest]

southwest

 

[dickburns]

No, I don't work for Cherry Air but those guys are a good group of freighters and always fun for a late night beer at the freight-hole.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

No, I don't work for Cherry Air but those guys are a good group of freighters and always fun for a late night beer at the freight-hole.

No, you don't. You work for Amerijet. Been there, done that Pendejo. Believe me, I know what you're missing out on by staying in the freight world. If you don't care to educate yourself... not my problem.

Ok, you might work for USA Jet. I have no experience there, but I can't imagine it would be a whole lot different.

Oh yeah, and you don't really fly down to Juarez from Laredo... Juarez is about 250 miles north and 400 miles west of Laredo. Ever actually flown that route or do you just sit in the right seat and stroke yourself while the Captains do all the work (which is usually the case in 135 freight ops). Hmm??

 

[JoeMerchant]

No, you don't. You work for Amerijet. Been there, done that Pendejo. Believe me, I know what you're missing out on by staying in the freight world. If you don't care to educate yourself... not my problem.

Ok, you might work for USA Jet. I have no experience there, but I can't imagine it would be a whole lot different.

So FmrFreightDog, are things better at ASA than at the "FreightDogs"? You would think ASA is the worst thing out there listening to you.....

 

[COOPERVANE]

I really don't want to hang around with "freighters" at the "freight hole" anymore. I'm not 22. The whole poor me, downtrodden freight dawg sch-tick is getting really tired. I want to spend time at my house with the wife.

You will also grow up someday and see that freight is a crappy job that ages you.

ASA is in a pretty crappy position right now, but it has always been one of the better regionals to work for. ASA is not a "bottom feeder" If you truly think that it only proves that you don't know dick about the 121 world.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

So FmrFreightDog, are things better at ASA than at the "FreightDogs"? You would think ASA is the worst thing out there listening to you.....

Yes, Joe. I can, without a doubt, say that the quality of the job at ASA is far better than it was at the handful of freight outfits I flew for. The flying here is probably not as rewarding in an, "I alone got the job done" kind of way, but the 121 airline gig is a better deal. Among other things, in the time I've been at ASA I have not yet been sent off to an airport that was closed due to a local militia uprising (Llano San Juan, outside of Ocozocoaulta during a bad time in the Chiapas rebellion... but that's another FAR more interesting story for another time), although every time I head down to Dothan I half expect Johnny Reb to have reclaimed the airport in the name of Dixie!

In all seriousness, Joe, I bitch because I know things here could be so much better, and I feel most of our woes can be blamed on management (we will have to agree to disagree on this one). However, there can and always will be far worse places to work. I want ASA to be the best work environment possible, just like you. However, we just have different opinions on how to achieve that.

For what it's worth, you and I are not as far apart as some of my remarks may lead you to believe. Just like you, I realize ALPA has dropped the ball in a monumental way. However, (and here's where we differ) we could have the most iron-clad scope in the world, but if our management continues to fail to perform on even the most remedial level, our clients (in this case, Delta) will find a way to send their business elsewhere. Scope has been abrogated in courtroom after courtroom. Thus, while I see it as an essential contract goal, I don't think it is the penultimate answer. I tend to think the best solution lies in providing a quality product at a reasonable price (yes.. I said it.. I think we are asking for too much, and I have made my opinion known). I also think our success hinges upon having a management team capable of transforming our operation, such that it is, into a functional airline. In that regard, my freight time was more rewarding than my airline time. Say what you will about Mx, pay, schedules, and whatnot, but the people that run the small freight operations in this country know how to run a business.

 

[VeeOne]

Yes, Joe. I can, without a doubt, say that the quality of the job at ASA is far better than it was at the handful of freight outfits I flew for. The flying here is probably not as rewarding in an, "I alone got the job done" kind of way, but the 121 airline gig is a better deal. Among other things, in the time I've been at ASA I have not yet been sent off to an airport that was closed due to a local militia uprising (Llano San Juan, outside of Ocozocoaulta during a bad time in the Chiapas rebellion), although every time I head down to Dothan I half expect Johnny Reb to have reclaimed the airport in the name of Dixie!

In all seriousness, Joe, I bitch because I know things here could be so much better, and I feel most of our woes can be blamed on management (we will have to agree to disagree on this one). However, there can and always will be far worse places to work.

LOL! I hear you there Fmr- I do have a strong premanition of a "house cleaning" over at the offices once we sign a contract......or at least if we do, anyways. That will take care of your ASA management issue:laugh:. The people here make ASA what it is, on the pilot side of things anyway.