SWA to England?

[iflyhigh72]

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle1647610.ece

 

[Captain Overs]

And the majors thought International was the money maker. It looks like the LLC's will once again find away to chip at profit margins.

 

[Truckdriver]

This open skies deal is going to be the biggest change in the U.S. airline industry since deregulation. The LCC's in the U.S. and Europe will all jump in and it will be a slugfest with the established legacies. I'm not quite sure who will win, but all those profits from the Atlantic routes that the legacies are seeing now will likely be much lower in the next couple of years. I

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

This open skies deal is going to be the biggest change in the U.S. airline industry since deregulation. The LCC's in the U.S. and Europe will all jump in and it will be a slugfest with the established legacies. I'm not quite sure who will win, but all those profits from the Atlantic routes that the legacies are seeing now will likely be much lower in the next couple of years. I

Yet another reason that cargo is a more secure career path. Open Skies will not impact FDX, DHL, and UPS the way it will United, AMR, and DAL.

 

[IFLYIMC]

Yet another reason that cargo is a more secure career path. Open Skies will not impact FDX, DHL, and UPS the way it will United, AMR, and DAL.

Yeah the only thing you will have to worry about is pilot less aircraft, seeing how the boxes don't mind as much as the PAX!!!

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

Yeah the only thing you will have to worry about is pilot less aircraft, seeing how the boxes don't mind as much as the PAX!!!

Very true.

 

[The_Russian]

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[nimtz]

Great! My buddies in London love to point out the activities of the 'first time abroad' American tourists that pollute the city in the summer. It will sure further our national rep to drag hard core white trash over on 'peanut fares' on Southwest. Good luck getting the 1-2-3 rule at a layover hotel in the UK.

:beer:

 

[Tejas-Jet]

IF the leg is more than a 3.0 I ain't flying it

 

[RedDogC130]

We will make a stop in St. John's or Lajes on the way over

 

[General Lee]

This open skies deal is going to be the biggest change in the U.S. airline industry since deregulation. The LCC's in the U.S. and Europe will all jump in and it will be a slugfest with the established legacies. I'm not quite sure who will win, but all those profits from the Atlantic routes that the legacies are seeing now will likely be much lower in the next couple of years. I

Nah, the foreign airlines still lack the facilities at the major airports here in the States. They lack slots and gates. Sure, now they have a few, but there just isn't any room at most airports for huge expansion. They could try to fly to out of the way airports, like SWF (Stewart) for additional flights (Ryanair would probably do this, since they go to out of the way airports in Europe), but that would be about it. The legacies in the US still have the advantage of location. Look, we (DL) might add a whopping 3 flights to LHR. Expect the same from most European airlines, a few flights here and there to our major airports. The real losers are the airlines that used to fly into LHR exclusively. The European airlines may add new flights to cities with few European flights where there are open facilities, like STL.


I think Jetblue should add European flights, since they do have a good hub at JFK. But, what about those "poison pills" you guys have been telling us about the gate size at your new terminal at JFK???? Riiiiight. We knew that was crock all the time. I bet you will have a few widebody gates (the port authority wants to maximize revenue at JFK also), and you may start some flights with A330s I would bet to some European cities. But, you too would have to get slots at gates at those European airports, which may not be as easy as you would think. Reporters were "stunned" that we got 3 slots (potentially) at LHR.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Whataburger]

Come on, it's SWA.
BWI-PVD-MHT-ALB-Gander-KEF-SNN-DUB-LHR. Yankee 2step. I'm in.

 

[General Lee]

Come on, it's SWA.
BWI-PVD-MHT-ALB-Gander-KEF-SNN-DUB-LHR. Yankee 2step. I'm in.

You forgot LBB.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[RedDogC130]

That is not a through flight from LBB. They would have to change planes in BWI

 

[kaki]

I think it is only a matter of time before SWA or B6 start flying to Europe. It will take some time but it does make sense since the transatlantic flying seems to offer higher yields. I can see 787's in SWA colors and A330's or A350's in B6 colors in the next 5-10 years....

 

[JohnQ]

Great! My buddies in London love to point out the activities of the 'first time abroad' American tourists that pollute the city in the summer. It will sure further our national rep to drag hard core white trash over on 'peanut fares' on Southwest. Good luck getting the 1-2-3 rule at a layover hotel in the UK.

:beer:

And there is nothing more amusing than seeing an inbred-looking British family in Orlando in July. They are absolutely burnt to a crisp, look completely shell-shocked (they have never experienced heat and humidity like this before) and tend to have the "white trash" Cockney accent in abundance.

By contrast the Brazilians look great and are very gracious.

See, we Yanks can insult the Brits as eagerly as they can us. Now let's all hold hands and lift a pint together.

 

[acbarney]

I think it is only a matter of time before SWA or B6 start flying to Europe. It will take some time but it does make sense since the transatlantic flying seems to offer higher yields. I can see 787's in SWA colors and A330's or A350's in B6 colors in the next 5-10 years....

Just please keep Gary/Herb away from the overhead on the 787!!!

 

[General Lee]

I think it is only a matter of time before SWA or B6 start flying to Europe. It will take some time but it does make sense since the transatlantic flying seems to offer higher yields. I can see 787's in SWA colors and A330's or A350's in B6 colors in the next 5-10 years....

Huh? Transatlantic routes with LCCs would not have very high yields. Only routes between restricted airports or slot controlled airports will have higher yields. The routes with LCCs on them would most likely go to smaller, out of the way airports, like SWF near NYC, or Sanford near MCO. If Ryanair is stating they will have 7 Euro fares to the US, how could you think there is high yield there? The LCCs will fight it out on routes between London Luton and SWF etc, while the legacies will carry the higher fare business pax to LHR and CDG from JFK and ORD.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Reebo]

The routes with LCCs on them would most likely go to smaller, out of the way airports, like SWF near NYC, or Sanford near MCO.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Try Islip. Southwest has built the terminal there and it even has the proper airport code, ISP. The International airport for Southwest Passengers

 

[General Lee]

Try Islip. Southwest has built the terminal there and it even has the proper airport code, ISP. The International airport for Southwest Passengers

ISP's longest runway is 7006 ft long (6/24). Not even close to get a full 737-700 or anything else off the ground towards Europe full with reserves. Nah.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[canyonblue]

The Boeing 737-700ER

The 737-700ER (Extended Range) is an increased gross weight version of the 737-700. Launched Jan. 31, 2006, with an order conversion for two airplanes from ANA (All Nippon Airways), the 737-700ER has the longest range capability of any commercial 737 family member. Aerodynamic and structural changes initially made for the Boeing Business Jet (BBJ) allow the 737-700ER to profitably serve nonstop, long-range point-to-point routes. Entry into service is scheduled for early 2007.

Major Changes

• The wings and landing gear of the 737-800
• Wing and body strengthening changes
• Up to nine optional auxiliary fuel tanks
• Optional Blended Winglets

Benefits

• Flies up to 2,145 nautical miles farther than a 737-700
• Capable of trans-oceanic flights with the maximum range of 5,510 nautical miles (10,200 km)
• Maximum takeoff weight increased by 16,500 lb (7,485 kg)

 

[nimtz]

And there is nothing more amusing than seeing an inbred-looking British family in Orlando in July. They are absolutely burnt to a crisp, look completely shell-shocked (they have never experienced heat and humidity like this before) and tend to have the "white trash" Cockney accent in abundance.

By contrast the Brazilians look great and are very gracious.

See, we Yanks can insult the Brits as eagerly as they can us. Now let's all hold hands and lift a pint together.

Now that's funny and usually my counter to the Yank bashing. It's always in good fun though. I'd like to see some of Yorkshire's finest meet up in a bar/pub with Mississippi folk. My god that would be surreal. I shudder when I think about Ryanair dumping a plane load of that type in NYC in August.

 

[NEDude]

Yeah the only thing you will have to worry about is pilot less aircraft, seeing how the boxes don't mind as much as the PAX!!!

Perhaps I am in the minority, but I just don't see this happening any time soon. Trains, as far simpler as they are to operate, still have engineers up front, even on the freight trains. When trains start being totally automated then I could see passenger and freight airplanes following about 10-15 years later.

 

[General Lee]

The Boeing 737-700ER

The 737-700ER (Extended Range) is an increased gross weight version of the 737-700. Launched Jan. 31, 2006, with an order conversion for two airplanes from ANA (All Nippon Airways), the 737-700ER has the longest range capability of any commercial 737 family member. Aerodynamic and structural changes initially made for the Boeing Business Jet (BBJ) allow the 737-700ER to profitably serve nonstop, long-range point-to-point routes. Entry into service is scheduled for early 2007.

Major Changes

• The wings and landing gear of the 737-800
• Wing and body strengthening changes
• Up to nine optional auxiliary fuel tanks
• Optional Blended Winglets

Benefits

• Flies up to 2,145 nautical miles farther than a 737-700
• Capable of trans-oceanic flights with the maximum range of 5,510 nautical miles (10,200 km)
• Maximum takeoff weight increased by 16,500 lb (7,485 kg)

Thanks. Private Air flies a 737-700 from EWR to Munich nonstop for Lufthansa, and one for KLM from IAH to Amsterdam. You are right. But, they fly them from airports with LONG runways, and they only carry 50 passengers (special config for ultra first class passengers paying over $5000 each way). So, does that fit anything Southwest does? Nope. Long runways and fewer passengers. The article also says ATA may do the flying for you anyway. Hey, LBB aint that bad.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[canyonblue]

Hey, LBB aint that bad.....

Bye Bye--General Lee

You're right, Texas Tech girls aren't too bad. Learn a little about the USA and you won't come off as stupid as you appear.

 

[scoreboard]

ISP's longest runway is 7006 ft long (6/24). Not even close to get a full 737-700 or anything else off the ground towards Europe full with reserves. Nah.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I guess the last takeoff I did out of MDW at max gross of 154K using a 6000' runway doesn't count...

 

[General Lee]

You're right, Texas Tech girls aren't too bad. Learn a little about the USA and you won't come off as stupid as you appear.

You seem more like a lover of Bobby Knight than a lover of tech girls.....And, I have been to LBB (once thank gawd), and didn't care for it. I have seen the USA plenty, and now have the opportunity to see the world, on Delta's dime. You can do it too, on yours. Stupid is as stupid does, cuz.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I guess the last takeoff I did out of MDW at max gross of 154K using a 6000' runway doesn't count...

Did you go to Europe from there? We carry 162,400lbs of FUEL on our 767-300ERs to Europe. See, you are missing the point. A 737-700 or BBJ could probably make it to Europe, but at reduced pax and a lot of runway. Private Air does that, with about 50 pax and EWR's or IAH's long runways. I bet you and Gary Kelly could fly to RIO in that plane too, if it were the two of you and one stew....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Truckdriver]

Nah, the foreign airlines still lack the facilities at the major airports here in the States. They lack slots and gates. Sure, now they have a few, but there just isn't any room at most airports for huge expansion. Bye Bye--General Lee

And in the late 90's who would have thought that JetBlue could get the slots they have now in JFK. I think airlines will find slots if they want slots. Delta just seemed to have found a couple slots in Heathrow didn't they? You never know General, you never know. I kinda think that if passengers have a choice of going into Heathrow for $1000 or Stansted for $199, they'll go to Stansted also. I think JetBlue could fill a 320 or two out of JFK with $199 fares to cities in Europe. You do have to admit that this is one of the biggest changes to hit our industry since deregulation, and I think it will have just as big of an impact a few years down the road.

 

[PlaneDrvr]

And in the late 90's who would have thought that JetBlue could get the slots they have now in JFK. I think airlines will find slots if they want slots. Delta just seemed to have found a couple slots in Heathrow didn't they? You never know General, you never know. I kinda think that if passengers have a choice of going into Heathrow for $1000 or Stansted for $199, they'll go to Stansted also. I think JetBlue could fill a 320 or two out of JFK with $199 fares to cities in Europe. You do have to admit that this is one of the biggest changes to hit our industry since deregulation, and I think it will have just as big of an impact a few years down the road.

Except a A320 is not going to make it from JFK to Europe.

What are you kidding me, really, NOT even close.