PNCL MEC Chairman resigns..

[PCL_128]

I know you're an MEC member, PCL, give us the truth. Did he resign or was he forced out?

He truthfully resigned. We just held MEC Officer elections about a month ago and he was reelected. I think he was probably expecting us to finish up with a TA this month and just wanted to see that through. After the company turned down our very fair offer last week, I think he realized it was going to be a little while longer and didn't want to serve out another entire two-year term. His likely successor is a great guy, a dedicated trade-unionist, and very experienced in ALPA work. Wake will also assist during the transition to whoever is elected, so things should go very smoothly.

 

[John Pennekamp]

He truthfully resigned. We just held MEC Officer elections about a month ago and he was reelected. I think he was probably expecting us to finish up with a TA this month and just wanted to see that through. After the company turned down our very fair offer last week, I think he realized it was going to be a little while longer and didn't want to serve out another entire two-year term. His likely successor is a great guy, a dedicated trade-unionist, and very experienced in ALPA work. Wake will also assist during the transition to whoever is elected, so things should go very smoothly.

I take your words at face value, but it doesn't make much sense that he would choose to run again, then "suddenly" change his mind and quit when the company shot down your offer. That sounds like a political resignation, designed to make a point. Why wouldn't he hang on for a few more months and see it through? Certainly it won't take a whole two year term. Maybe he disagreed with the status reps position on that offer. Whatever, good luck to you guys.

 

[PCL_128]

Certainly it won't take a whole two year term.

Actually, it very well could be another two years. Management's response to our offer was not very encouraging. We're preparing for the long-haul now.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Actually, it very well could be another two years. Management's response to our offer was not very encouraging. We're preparing for the long-haul now.

Nice. Your MEC should get with our MEC. So much for "Takin' it Back".

 

[PCL_128]

Nice. Your MEC should get with our MEC. So much for "Takin' it Back".

I think you've been listening to John B. too much lately. You can't "take it back" when the NMB refuses to follow the intent of the law. Sometimes you just have to be patient.

 

[CopilotDoug]

Nice. Your MEC should get with our MEC. So much for "Takin' it Back".

Ain't that the sad truth? With Comair, the excuse was Bankruptcy. But with Pinnacle, the pilots really do owe it to themselves to be patient. I am going to go out back right now and beat my tree with a stick.

 

[DoinTime]

He is nothing but a puppet. And not a very good one I may add.

Who's puppet was he?

 

[Casper]

DoinTime,
I thought he was ours but I don't recall him diong much for us.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I think you've been listening to John B. too much lately. You can't "take it back" when the NMB refuses to follow the intent of the law. Sometimes you just have to be patient.

Why are they witing for the NMB? According to Mr Prater "Takin' it Back" refers to fighting for what management took from us over the last 7 years.

The NMB's response was predictable and predicted by most. They are 100% political. If ALPA was hoping the NMB would rule in their favor because of past precedents set under different political climates, than that's a strategy worthy of malpractice.

Patience got us 4.5 years. I personally am out of patience. Many of our pilots agree. Someone needs to take action.

 

[DoinTime]

DoinTime,
I thought he was ours but I don't recall him diong much for us.

He probably never came over to your house and took out your trash but that really isn't in the job description. What was it that you thought he was capable of doing but failed at?

 

[Casper]

DoinTime,
I am not about to argue about this one but maybe if you look a little closer you will see that we still have no FN CONTRACT signed, crapy work rules, negative enviroment and the list goes on are you starting to see the picture? I am not saying that he has control over any of it however when you take a position that you can try and make a difference you can either fight for the people that you represent or you can conform to a managment kiss ass.
In the end you make the choice.

 

[WildBlue]

DoinTime,
I am not about to argue about this one but maybe if you look a little closer you will see that we still have no FN CONTRACT signed, crapy work rules, negative enviroment and the list goes on are you starting to see the picture? I am not saying that he has control over any of it however when you take a position that you can try and make a difference you can either fight for the people that you represent or you can conform to a managment kiss ass.
In the end you make the choice.

Wow, Casper. You really need to take a good, long look at what you just wrote. Negative environment? No FN contract signed? Then you go on to say that the he doesn't have any control over any of that. Then, your a management kss ass because he couldn't get any of that to change? What an inflated idea of what the MEC Chairman is capable of accomplishing. I guess all the MEC Chairmen at Mesa, ASA, Comair, Northwest, Delta and every other carrier out there is also a management kiss ass because they have all the same problems.

You sound like someone who is pissed off at life, pissed off with your career and generally pissed off, so you need to find someone to blame. The guy put in over 8 years of service, was elected multiple times and you blame him for the state of the world. Have a couple of pops and try to re-orient yourself. Or better yet, get off your duff, run for office and make the changes yourself. But that wouldn't be as much fun as running another guy down.

 

[Speedtape]

DoinTime,
I am not about to argue about this one but maybe if you look a little closer you will see that we still have no FN CONTRACT signed, crapy work rules, negative enviroment and the list goes on are you starting to see the picture? I am not saying that he has control over any of it however when you take a position that you can try and make a difference you can either fight for the people that you represent or you can conform to a managment kiss ass.
In the end you make the choice.[/quote

He is only one man. The only power he has, is the power given to him by your pilot group. Power is dependent upon the degree of UNITY that exists in your pilot group. If your pilot group has UNITY and your pilot group empowers him to be the one voice of your pilot group, then it is more likely that the goals of your pilot group can be achieved. That does not mean that achievement of those goals will be easy. It means that with UNITY, it will be more likely.

The MEC Chairman is not a King or Dictator. Ideally, he is the single voice of your Unified pilot group. Conversely, if your pilot group is divided or not Unified, then your MEC Chairman has little power. He will be viewed as a token leader by your Management and your pilots.

You will only have the signed contract that you want when your pilot group has UNITY. Work rules will only improve when your pilot group has UNITY. The environment will improve when you have accomplished both of the above, through Unity. Your MEC Chair only has control of the above things when your pilot group has Unity and you empower him to be the singular voice of that pilot group. His leverage is totally dependent upon the degree of Unity within your pilot group.

Wake took the position. He has worked hard for your pilot group. He is not a kiss ass. He doesn't have to work another day in his life! Wake is one man. He is a capable leader given the power of a Unified pilot group. Wake has not failed.

Do you need to look in the mirror?

 

[DoinTime]

DoinTime,
I am not about to argue about this one but maybe if you look a little closer you will see that we still have no FN CONTRACT signed, crapy work rules, negative enviroment and the list goes on are you starting to see the picture? I am not saying that he has control over any of it however when you take a position that you can try and make a difference you can either fight for the people that you represent or you can conform to a managment kiss ass.
In the end you make the choice.

Its doubtful that people like you will ever recognize the work that your Union volunteers will ever do. You don't understand the process, you are not willing to learn, and you blame everyone else for this career not being to your expectations.

Guess what???? You're a typical pilot. Thats why we continue to lose against ruthless management groups. Guys like you make it all to easy.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Its doubtful that people like you will ever recognize the work that your Union volunteers will ever do. You don't understand the process, you are not willing to learn, and you blame everyone else for this career not being to your expectations.

Guess what???? You're a typical pilot. Thats why we continue to lose against ruthless management groups. Guys like you make it all to easy.

and again

Its doubtful that people like you will ever recognize the work that your Union volunteers will ever do. You don't understand the process, you are not willing to learn, and you blame everyone else for this career not being to your expectations.

Guess what???? You're a typical pilot. Thats why we continue to lose against ruthless management groups. Guys like you make it all to easy.

and again

Its doubtful that people like you will ever recognize the work that your Union volunteers will ever do. You don't understand the process, you are not willing to learn, and you blame everyone else for this career not being to your expectations.

Guess what???? You're a typical pilot. Thats why we continue to lose against ruthless management groups. Guys like you make it all to easy.

and again

Its doubtful that people like you will ever recognize the work that your Union volunteers will ever do. You don't understand the process, you are not willing to learn, and you blame everyone else for this career not being to your expectations.

Guess what???? You're a typical pilot. Thats why we continue to lose against ruthless management groups. Guys like you make it all to easy.

and again

Its doubtful that people like you will ever recognize the work that your Union volunteers will ever do. You don't understand the process, you are not willing to learn, and you blame everyone else for this career not being to your expectations.

Guess what???? You're a typical pilot. Thats why we continue to lose against ruthless management groups. Guys like you make it all to easy.

and again

Its doubtful that people like you will ever recognize the work that your Union volunteers will ever do. You don't understand the process, you are not willing to learn, and you blame everyone else for this career not being to your expectations.

Guess what???? You're a typical pilot. Thats why we continue to lose against ruthless management groups. Guys like you make it all to easy.

and again

Its doubtful that people like you will ever recognize the work that your Union volunteers will ever do. You don't understand the process, you are not willing to learn, and you blame everyone else for this career not being to your expectations.

Guess what???? You're a typical pilot. Thats why we continue to lose against ruthless management groups. Guys like you make it all to easy.

 

[Ridgeback]

I personally am out of patience. Many of our pilots agree. Someone needs to take action.

Just not you right?

I elect you to be the first to refuse to fly because you are "out of patience."

 

[Occam's Razor]

No job is too difficult for somebody who doesn't have to do it themself.

 

[swordfish]

wake is going to jetblue with his bubby Dario from transsates

 

[TurboAWD]

DoinTime,
I am not about to argue about this one but maybe if you look a little closer you will see that we still have no FN CONTRACT signed, crapy work rules, negative enviroment and the list goes on are you starting to see the picture? I am not saying that he has control over any of it however when you take a position that you can try and make a difference you can either fight for the people that you represent or you can conform to a managment kiss ass.
In the end you make the choice.

Oh, I see. Well, I am sure that you attended all of the picketing events last year, are a P2P rep, on at least one commitee, and give money to ALPA-PAC so that hopefully we can get some input in Washington/the NMB...

No?
Then STFU.

Turbo

 

[Freight Dog]

You guys want a contract? NMB won't release you? Summer of Love baby!

Junior-manned on your day off at home? Oh no... you already cracked that beer at 7am.

Junior-manned in the jetway? Oh no... fatigue is a bitch and not exactly safe or legal!!

On-time performance? Well, sure... but comes secondary to making sure that the checklists are all done and verifying that the numbers on the manifest are indeed correct.

Fuel savings? What fuel savings? Maximum safety comes first along with what it says in the training manual! Fully configured on a nice stabilized 12-mile final approach.

Overtime? Sorry, but bass fishing season is coming into full swing and some contests have a purse that's worth quite a bit of cash. Gotta practice! If they say you're being junior-manned, fishing and drinking beer is called enjoying your life to the max - unfortunately you're not legal to fly.

NMB won't release you. The Company is laughing their asses off at you and your offer. This is like communicating with someone who only understands getting kicked in the balls. Maybe it's time to kick'em in the balls.