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CFIfornow

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Great, now NWA will have two regionals that they can't staff and a third on the way.

Pinnacle may lose planes to Mesaba

A lack of a labor deal between Pinnacle and its pilots means Northwest has the right to take away regional jets.
By Liz Fedor, Star Tribune
Last update: April 02, 2007 – 8:52 PM


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Pinnacle Airlines and its pilots union failed to negotiate a new contract by a Saturday deadline, which could prompt Northwest Airlines to begin shifting 17 regional jets from Pinnacle to Eagan-based Mesaba.
Phil Reed, Pinnacle's vice president of marketing, acknowledged Monday that by missing Northwest's labor-deal deadline, Northwest "has the right to take back three aircraft per month."
Reed said that talks between Pinnacle management and the pilots union have been going on "in excess of 18 months."
In December, Northwest reached a long-term services agreement for Memphis-based Pinnacle to operate 124 Canadair Regional Jets (CRJs), which seat 50 passengers. The agreement further stated that Pinnacle could fly 17 additional 50-seaters for Northwest, but the big airline would have the option of removing those airplanes if Pinnacle didn't negotiate a new agreement with its pilots union by March 31.
Northwest is expected to close its purchase of Mesaba in the coming weeks, and the Minnesota-based regional carrier already has federal certification to fly the 50-seat jets now operated by Pinnacle.
Wakefield Gordon, chairman of the Pinnacle branch of the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA), said Monday that no talks are scheduled and the two parties lack agreements on key money issues, including wages, health care and retirement benefits.
"This is a $340 million deal over five years," Gordon said. "We were $20 million apart at the end, and they couldn't come up with any more money to close the deal. They are going to risk the loss of 17 aircraft for that amount of money."
Pinnacle employs about 1,200 pilots. Recently, Reed said, Pinnacle has had to cancel some flights for lack of flight crews because so many Pinnacle pilots have left the carrier to accept jobs elsewhere.
"Pilots are not getting cheaper in the regional industry," said Gordon, who added that 30 to 40 Pinnacle pilots per month have left for other carriers.
A Northwest spokesman declined Monday to say whether the airline intends to remove planes from Pinnacle's fleet.
But there are a number of reasons that Northwest could view Mesaba as a logical home for the planes.
Currently, there are 16 pilots on Mesaba's payroll that are flying one 50-seat CRJ for Northwest. Two years ago, Mesaba geared up to operate 15 of the CRJs, but Northwest halted delivery of those planes after Northwest filed for bankruptcy. In 2005, Mesaba President John Spanjers estimated his carrier's workforce would grow by 300 people to accommodate the new flying.
Now, Mesaba is getting ready to take delivery of three dozen CRJs that seat 76 passengers. Mesaba will be Northwest's sole operator of the 76-seat CRJs.
The cockpits for the 50-seat and 76-seat CRJs are similar, and the pilots who fly them get the same license from the Federal Aviation Administration. So it would not be difficult for Mesaba to shift pilots from one CRJ model to another.
"Mesaba, like any other regional airline with certification for CRJs, is competition," said Pinnacle's Reed. "However, we've always been confident in our ability to provide a high-quality, low-cost product."
Liz Fedor • 612-673-7709 • [email protected]
 
People wanting to fly for Mesaba, Pinnacle, or Compass.... Here's yet another reason people have been saying to stay away from the red-tail family. A fake bankruptcy to get what they want from Mesaba, now blackmail to get what they want from Pinnacle.
 
For the love of all that is good and caffeinated, ... nevermind. You've hear me say it before.

MM
 
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The deadline is already passed. NW can take away the jets no matter what... if a contract is signed or not. The pilots signing a contract isn't going to change anything. Not that we didn't already know that.

As far as I know, Pinnacle is having really big staffing issues. Doesn't sound like any Pinnacle pilots are going get furloughed if planes are lost. About the only thing that will happen is they won't be getting junior manned or extended as much... and probably get to see their families more. Those airplanes are management's to loose with no sweat off the pilots' backs.


The thing I'm more interested in is how this would relate to Colgan. Apparently Pinnacle's pilots and company are about $20M off from each other on the contract. Well, you can be sure Pinnacle spent more than $20M on those Q400s they're buying for Colgan. Now Colgan is growing and Pinnacle is shrinking. If Pinnacle would've used that money for the pilot contract, it'd be signed and Pinnacle wouldn't be shrinking. So, I'd say that the logical progression can be made that Colgan's growth is resulting in Pinnacle's reduction. Non-union jobs are being created and causing a loss of union jobs.
 
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Stay United Pinnacle Pilots, the days of cheap regional airline pilots are over and dont let this company tell you otherwise, Keep up the good work! and dont give in.
 
I don't think most pilots at 9E are particularly concerned about this.

Anyone who believes that these airplanes would be moved strictly because we don't have a contract is a sucker. NW certainly might move them, but that isn't why.

We aren't using the aircraft we have to their full capacity because we don't have enough pilots.

We aren't in CH11, so don't expect a BS ch11 contract.

I WANT MORE D*MN MONEY.

I'm willing to go on strike to get it.

The longer this takes, the bigger my retro check.

Turbo
 
That's right, Turbo. I am really proud of our guys for hangin in there and not falling for the BS.

From what I saw on the MEC email, looks like we got some nice improvements in scheduling.

Now let's see how long the NMB takes.
 
Stand strong you guys. Mesaba pilots are with you 100% on this one... You can keep your airplanes right where they are.

Cheers
 
Stand strong you guys. Mesaba pilots are with you 100% on this one... You can keep your airplanes right where they are.

Cheers

Thanks...but you can have 'em...... besides you went thru alot worse than us...
 
yeah I had a mesaba guy on the jumpseat that didn't complain at all, but the more i talked to him about the year he started with mesaba and the fact that he was still an FO i realized how bad you guys have been treated by the evil empire. I hope you get the 17. you guys have taken some bad hits. we cant staff them anyway, and im sick of scheduling calling me 9 times a day (on my day off)
 
Dont feel bad for 9E. anyone on the senority list that wants the left seat and has the min time can have it. The only redeeming quality this company has is mass attrition and quick rides up the senority list.
 
Mesaba won't be able to staff them either..........To my understanding Mesaba lowered their mins.........and are going to lower them further.......
All regionals are having staffing issues......this just might be our time of leverage to actualy stand up for a reasonable pay rate and work rules....


May the Force be with us.
Always.
 
Wow, 16 posts in and no one has freaked out about how losing airplanes is the ALPA's fault. It looks like the pilot group may actually realize that management makes fleet and staffing decisions, as opposed to the employees.

Good luck Pinnacle, if you guys picket in DTW I'll be there.
 
Mesaba won't be able to staff them either..........To my understanding Mesaba lowered their mins.........and are going to lower them further.......
All regionals are having staffing issues......this just might be our time of leverage to actualy stand up for a reasonable pay rate and work rules....


May the Force be with us.
Always.

Supposedly we have a pool of 100 now with more interviews filled
 
I heard today that because the deadline has past and we did not sign the new contract that NWA can and most likely take 20 of our CRJ's.
People you must understand you can make captain real fast here but you will suffer while doing so.
If NWA thinks that our atrition is beacuse of this stinking contract they and anyone else who believes this really needs to be enlightend. People are leaving simply because this place is a terrible place to be. Why you ask? Well mainly because of the piss poor attitude we recieve every day from management to Schedulers all the way down to CS people and this my friends creates a negative work enviorment which in turn reflects upon the pilots. Don't get me wrong our pilot group at least the majority are all a bunch of good people but to come to work every day and listen to people moan and groan really makes you sick . Now why are people bitching ?let us look deeper for a moment if Mr.T and his management team would stop being so greety and thought to make life better for the heart and soul of this company (the pilots) and create a work structure that supports better QOL and a mutualy beneficial pay scale then maybe just maybe we would not be canceling flights, trying to crew aircraft and hiring people right out of their mothers womb then maybe he would see increased productivity and less turnover. Bottom line Mr. T and his management needs to go otherwise things will never change including the atrition rate.
Think strongly and clearly before you make your choice like I said sure captain sounds good but the grass is not always greener on the otherside...
 
Oh please, people are leaving because majors are hiring. Not because of the reasons you say, atrition will continue even if salary is increased. Look at Comair, their salary is way better than the one at PCL and they are still loosing 30 to 40 captains a month.
If you think for a second that management will sign on a substantial increase on the new contract to lower atrition you are the one living in a fantasy world. Do your time and get out, regionals are never going to be career jobs, the high atrition is welcomed news to them. The younger the pilot workforce the lower the cost.
 

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