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G2T

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Yesterday we were in ABE and I wanted to go to Subway to get some lunch. Being that we don't park on a jetway, I had to find someone to let me upstairs. The guy from our operations said that he has to escort me up there. I didn't think anything of it, I thought he would show me to the elevator and let me go, I was wrong. Apparently they are required to walk with me into the terminal "Sterile" area, wait in line while I get a sandwich, and then escort me back down to operations (where I am free to walk outside). I don't fault the employee for the rule, he was just following C.Y.A. What I don't understand is why can I be on the airplane, walk on the ramp, and walk around operations, but I can't go into the terminal? I have reached a new level of confusion and frustration with trying to keep up with every airports special policies and local procedures. Sometimes I feel as if the flight crews are perceived as the biggest threat.
 
I will cry baldy, everyday, for all of you triple seventy five drivers that think they are the epicenter of aviation standards and advancement.
 
G2T said:
Yesterday we were in ABE and I wanted to go to Subway to get some lunch. Being that we don't park on a jetway, I had to find someone to let me upstairs. The guy from our operations said that he has to escort me up there. I didn't think anything of it, I thought he would show me to the elevator and let me go, I was wrong. Apparently they are required to walk with me into the terminal "Sterile" area, wait in line while I get a sandwich, and then escort me back down to operations (where I am free to walk outside). I don't fault the employee for the rule, he was just following C.Y.A. What I don't understand is why can I be on the airplane, walk on the ramp, and walk around operations, but I can't go into the terminal? I have reached a new level of confusion and frustration with trying to keep up with every airports special policies and local procedures. Sometimes I feel as if the flight crews are perceived as the biggest threat.
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You should have seen if you could have ditched the guy...you know, SPY vs. SPY style. As to your main point, yes, the TSA is a largely ineffective organization, but fabulous at inventing pointless "rules."
 
CVG, saw a DAL pilot go through the puffer, then get wanded when he never set the alarm off....It was part of the "random selection"
Pay no attention to the girl/guy behind the burka. Because we can't ask them to remove it for ID.......ok, not sure if they can't ask them to remove it or not, but I would be more suspect as to why someone is hiding thier face, over a aging old fart who flies for Delta.
 
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Take him to the bathroom and drop some ass in a stall ! don't wash your hands and then go to subway and offer to buy him something ! he he he
 
i know i feel safer because pax can only carry liquids in 3 oz containers! genius!!
 
DannyNoonan said:
i know i feel safer because pax can only carry liquids in 3 oz containers! genius!!
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So get this...PHX Sky Harbor airport authority gives out the plastic bags, in a 1 qt size. So I get to moth$&% Fu%#&%$# HPN, and the TSA says I can't use the bag. WHY you might ask? Because the bags that PHX gives, and are OK at EVERY airport I have been to, have a drawstring instead of a zipper. SOOOOOOO....HPN bad boy TSA lectures me and makes me leave the checkpoint to go get an HPN approved ZipLoc bag. Freaking yankees.
 
FreightPup said:
"But what if two people with 3 ozs. get together on the plane?"
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tsa would probably arrest them on charges of suspicion and hating america
 
I saw a few TSA guys (one had a jacket with large "TSA INSPECTOR" written on the back) walking around the ramp in DCA today. They started pointing at our airplane then walked away. Guess we are safe now.

Also I went thru security in ALT this morrning, flew 3 legs then non-reved home. The agent didn't ask for a special ticket or say i had to reclear security, they just let me on the plane as normal after I checked in.
 
Speedtape said:
Do you think the average terrorist is as smart as the average TSA agent?
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My money is on the terrorists. Isnt a university degree a pre-req of being in Al-Qaida?

I wouldnt trust those at the Thousand Standing Around to walk my dog around the block without gettin lost.
 
Jesus christ. Good ol' TSA, its just one great big federally sponsored work program. More and more I'm worried more about them then some terrorist. They have good intentions, but just cannot seem to muster any common sense. I'm sure their interview process (is there even one?) filters out those who have any. Just the other day, I pass through the metal detector and set it off. Come to find out it's my belt, which never sets it off. He wanted me to take it off, put it through the xray, and come through the detector again. I obliged. He then asked me why I just didn't take it off in the first place, to which I told him it never sets it off. Then I added "I fly the plane for crying out loud, are you afraid I'm going to strangle myself with the belt and let someone take over?" I know, stupid, but I couldn't help it. The look he gave me was priceless. It was like I was Osama himself. What a ********************ing joke.
 
Every day in IAH TSA people take forbidden items through into the sterile area. They don't go through screening themselves, they to through the exits. And every one of them that smokes uses a lighter, they they have in in the sterile area. I'm trying to figure out who to write. If they are going to treat us as a threat, then they can treat themselves as one too.
 
atrdriver said:
Every day in IAH TSA people take forbidden items through into the sterile area. They don't go through screening themselves, they to through the exits. And every one of them that smokes uses a lighter, they they have in in the sterile area. I'm trying to figure out who to write. If they are going to treat us as a threat, then they can treat themselves as one too.
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Speaking of lighters, just about every regular smoking passenger has figured out that if they put their lighters in their pockets while going through the metal detector, they'll get to keep it.
 
Speedtape said:
Do you think the average terrorist is as smart as the average TSA agent?
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I don't think its the folks in the TSA that are flawed. Where are you going to find a well-educated, well-spoken, patient, and savvy individual willing to stand for hours on end and search through people's belongings? I think its going to be a rare find. I know I wouldn't do it without going postal.

If we spent half the money we spend on the TSA on a good counter terrorism effort; utilizing smart people doing smart things (infiltrating chat rooms, killing world terrorist leaders, seizing terrorist funding) maybe.....just maybe we wouldn't have to worry about a dangerous pilot going into the terminal to get his/her lunch. If our personnel screening is so bad we have to babysit the pilots of a domestic carrier walking in an airport we should just shut the whole air transport system down.

VV
 
The big gulps, slurppies and frappacino's combined with the gossip blah, blah talk as a I go thru security tells me these clowns are just that....

Yes it does require a 20+ oz drink to operate the xray machine.... and did you hear that Jimmy broke up with Shelia the other day..and she's pregnant!

The greatest insult to these clowns is "Does it bother you that you have no room for critical thought in this job?"
 
Rez O. Lewshun said:
The big gulps, slurppies and frappacino's combined with the gossip blah, blah talk as a I go thru security tells me these clowns are just that....
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often thought of that myself. can't even count the times i've gone thru security in dca and tsa agent jamal is hitting on shanana who is working x-ray machine or one tsa guy is yelling across 3 security lanes to another about their work sked or some show on TV.

not too long ago in phl i set the alarm off (left my cell phone in my pocket) and nobody stopped me - the 2 agents were yapping about someone they knew in high school.
 
LearLove said:
often thought of that myself. can't even count the times i've gone thru security in dca and tsa agent jamal is hitting on shanana who is working x-ray machine or one tsa guy is yelling across 3 security lanes to another about their work sked or some show on TV.

not too long ago in phl i set the alarm off (left my cell phone in my pocket) and nobody stopped me - the 2 agents were yapping about someone they knew in high school.
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That's just it though. The system is flawed. You can't expect any "normal" human being to do that work with any level of competency for a reasonable period of time.
 
vectorvictor said:
That's just it though. The system is flawed. You can't expect any "normal" human being to do that work with any level of competency for a reasonable period of time.
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So instead we will just make a ridiculous new rule, or "security directive", every other month or so to compensate.
 
G2T said:
So instead we will just make a ridiculous new rule, or "security directive", every other month or so to compensate.
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Its all part of the illusion of being safer. More important yet it give the politicians something to say when the broken system fails again. "Yes this happener, but we did all this in an attempt to prevent it." Our world is a messed up place where reality and lucid thought rarely hold hands.
 
Spend a week at the TSA's Artesia Retreat and Convetion center and never think about it again.
 

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