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[HAZ-MAT]

I was in CVG yesterday at 7pm and I was amazed. Either Wednesday is a slow day for you at Comair, or the other airline at concourse A is taking a LOT of your flying. I saw a dozen or so CRJs parked over by the FedEx ramp and another 20 over across the runway by your hangar. Whats happening? Its a sad sight to see concourse C not packed like I'm used to seeing. Its been about 8 months since I passed thru CVG last.

 

[TristarJS30]

It's that "other" airline in A you mentioned. Seems to me another airline from Atlanta is taking over quite a bit in C too.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

You were there at an "off" time. CVG is either dead or packed depending on what time of day you are there, especially Tues/Wed.

 

[rausda27]

Why are you guys afraid to say ASA is flying in CVG.

Its not a new thing, I have already seen CA N-#'s on several 70 seaters at ASA.

 

[N2264J]

I was in CVG yesterday at 7pm and I was amazed. Either Wednesday is a slow day for you at Comair, or the other airline at concourse A is taking a LOT of your flying. I saw a dozen or so CRJs parked over by the FedEx ramp and another 20 over across the runway by your hangar. Whats happening? Its a sad sight to see concourse C not packed like I'm used to seeing. Its been about 8 months since I passed thru CVG last.

A once proud airline is being decimated by Delta, aided and abetted by the union that "represents" its pilots.

More to follow.

www.rjdefense.com

 

[rausda27]

A once proud airline is being decimated by Delta, aided and abetted by the union that "represents" its pilots.

More to follow.

www.rjdefense.com

Thats funny stuff right there...

 

[DrewBlows]

A once proud airline is being decimated by Delta, aided and abetted by the union that "represents" its pilots.

More to follow.

www.rjdefense.com

Can I assume you voted against our current CBA?

 

[N2264J]

Can I assume you voted against our current CBA?

Don't get wrapped around the axle on local union politics. I'm talking about the national union that has a duty to protect your interests. They beat each other up on the Comair forum about who voted for or against, but they're overlooking a key element to the story. We were sold out by our union.

Discovery and depositions are almost over. Confidence is high.

The Delta pilots didn't want their consessions to buy you an E170 to fly.
If they could adjust their scope clause and drive at least some of that flying off the property, that objective would be met. So we get a Delta scope clause that now permits contractors who already operate planes with more than 70 seats to bid on Comair flying thus expanding the list of potential Delta Connection operators. While we were being told we have to RFP our own flying, those block hours were not just going off the property, they were going out of the union to Republic and Skywest.

This was all done without the knowledge or consent of the Comair MEC by
union representatives at Delta you did not get to vote for and who won't return your phone calls. Brand Scope is nothing but a sham.

Before we can fix the whipsaw, we have to fix the union.

Stay tuned.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Can I assume you voted against our current CBA?

Don't get wrapped around the axle on local union politics. I'm talking about the national union that has a duty to protect your interests. They beat each other up on the Comair forum about who voted for or against, but they're overlooking a key element to the story. We were sold out by our union.

Discovery and depositions are almost over. Confidence is high.

The Delta pilots didn't want their consessions to buy you an E170 to fly.
If they could adjust their scope clause and drive at least some of that flying off the property, that objective would be met. So we get a Delta scope clause that now permits contractors who already operate planes with more than 70 seats to bid on Comair flying thus expanding the list of potential Delta Connection operators. While we were being told we have to RFP our own flying, those block hours were not just going off the property, they were going out of the union to Republic and Skywest.

This was all done without the knowledge or consent of the Comair MEC by
union representatives at Delta you did not get to vote for and who won't return your phone calls. Brand Scope is nothing but a sham.

Before we can fix the whipsaw, we have to fix the union.

Stay tuned.

So then, I guess the answer to Drew's question is no...?

 

[DrewBlows]

Don't get wrapped around the axle on local union politics. I'm talking about the national union that has a duty to protect your interests. They beat each other up on the Comair forum about who voted for or against, but they're overlooking a key element to the story. We were sold out by our union.

Discovery and depositions are almost over. Confidence is high.

The Delta pilots didn't want their consessions to buy you an E170 to fly.
If they could adjust their scope clause and drive at least some of that flying off the property, that objective would be met. So we get a Delta scope clause that now permits contractors who already operate planes with more than 70 seats to bid on Comair flying thus expanding the list of potential Delta Connection operators. While we were being told we have to RFP our own flying, those block hours were not just going off the property, they were going out of the union to Republic and Skywest.

This was all done without the knowledge or consent of the Comair MEC by
union representatives at Delta you did not get to vote for and who won't return your phone calls. Brand Scope is nothing but a sham.

Before we can fix the whipsaw, we have to fix the union.

Stay tuned.

Uhhhhh???



I don't know how you voted, but your filibustering answer to my simple question suggests you voted in favor of the TA. You may or my not have a case against ALPA, but I have a hard time taking you seriously if you won't even fight for yourself by voting against a concessionary contract. Why should ALPA fight for you if you are unwilling to fight for yourself?

 

[N2264J]

I don't know how you voted, but your filibustering answer to my simple question suggests you voted in favor of the TA. You may or my not have a case against ALPA, but I have a hard time taking you seriously if you won't even fight for yourself by voting against a concessionary contract. Why should ALPA fight for you if you are unwilling to fight for yourself?

Because ALPA has a duty under federal law to look out for our interests. Not only have they not been looking out for our interests, they've been actively working against our interests at the Delta bargaining table, behind the backs of our MEC. Management did it to us but ALPA opened the door and held it open while management went through.

Anyway, how one guy voted is not germane.

It was ALPA that brought you the last TA that you're angry about and if you have to know how I voted in a bankruptcy slam down in order to take me seriously or not, I suspect you won't take me seriously regardless of how
I voted. Would that be an accurate assessment?

Diversion from my point aside, the RJDC has never taken a position about how members should vote. That's between you and your MEC. We welcome all supporters who vote for or against.

 

[DrewBlows]

Anyway, how one guy voted is not germane.

Yes it is. At the end of the day you are ALPA. If you don't even bother to stand up for yourself, why do you expect ALPA National to stand up for you?

It was ALPA that brought you the last TA that you're angry about...

No, it was the Comair MEC, which is a conversation for another time. ALPA National had nothing to do with our negotiations, except for giving the MEC the resources necessary to negotiate.

On another note, the TA will probably net me more money over the life of the contract than the 2005 LOA would have. This is good for me, but anyone hired after the effective claim date is getting screwed. This is not something I'm comfortable with. It's very short sighted, because we have effectively added another split to the already split pilot group (Captains and FOs). When contract negotiations 2011 take place most (or at least a huge contingent) of the pilot group will have been hired post TA. You can bet they will have no interest in making Comair a better place to work long term, so you can forget about getting a better retirement program, as the new people will want higher wages. I digress.

...and if you have to know how I voted in a bankruptcy slam down in order to take me seriously or not, I suspect you won't take me seriously regardless of how I voted. Would that be an accurate assessment?

That's not an accurate assessment at all. You support the RJDC, which is seeking damages from ALPA for not representing your interests. That's fine, but it seems self serving, when you vote for a TA which directly opposes your interests (which are presumably maximum career income). I don't have an opinion one way or the other on the RJDC. If the argument is sound it will play out in court, ALPA National will be reformed, and maybe reparations will be paid.

 

[N2264J]

Anyway, how one guy voted is not germane.

Yes it is. At the end of the day you are ALPA. If you don't even bother to stand up for yourself, why do you expect ALPA National to stand up for you?

This question was answered above. You're beating a dead red herring.

It was ALPA that brought you the last TA that you're angry about...

No, it was the Comair MEC, which is a conversation for another time. ALPA National had nothing to do with our negotiations, except for giving the MEC the resources necessary to negotiate.

So I'm ALPA but the MEC isn't? Actually, ALPA National and the Delta MEC had more to do with our negotiations than you know but that's a conversation for another time.

 

[John Pennekamp]

This question was answered above. You're beating a dead red herring.



So I'm ALPA but the MEC isn't? Actually, ALPA National and the Delta MEC had more to do with our negotiations than you know but that's a conversation for another time.

Dude, you can't argue your way out of this one. He got you. Move on.

 

[wmuflyguy]

Just wait. Freedumb is going to start coming into CVG in the next couple weeks. They even have their little roller stairs over by the A-gates.

 

[DrewBlows]

This question was answered above. You're beating a dead red herring.



So I'm ALPA but the MEC isn't? Actually, ALPA National and the Delta MEC had more to do with our negotiations than you know but that's a conversation for another time.

You are right, it is semantics. I was trying to point out that "ALPA", as in, ALPA National had nothing to do with Comair's negotiations. If you have evidence to suggest otherwise I would be very interested to hear it.

 

[IFIxUmUBrakeUm]

Rumor is that "Mair" Big sky's owner is going to buy comair with the money it has in the bank from Mesaba. They have over 200 mil and thats what delta wants is more cash. Big Sky has been getting in to the delta network with the routes out east and soon to be flying out of cvg--plus Mair is still making payments on the big hangar in cvg.

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070328/BIZ01/703280333

 

[pa31capt]

Just wait. Freedumb is going to start coming into CVG in the next couple weeks. They even have their little roller stairs over by the A-gates.

this might actually be for shuttle 170's coming in, rampers have been training on the plane recently.

 

[DrewBlows]

this might actually be for shuttle 170's coming in, rampers have been training on the plane recently.

The 170 has been at CVG before. When they started the Delta operation they did a CVG-DTW flight. I'm fairly certain they didn't park at the "C" concourse. There are plenty of gates at "A" they could use.

 

[B727FA]

While we were being told we have to RFP our own flying, those block hours were not just going off the property, they were going out of the union to Republic and Skywest.

Oh, hell no. RAH did NOT bid on current OH flying. Get it right.