Hawaii in a X...

[junkjockey]

Pardon my ignorance but what is a wet footprint?

 

[NW Flyer]

Still looking for someone (that doesn't work for Cessna) to help me believe Seattle to Hawaii will not produce a wet footprint...

 

[NW Flyer]

Pardon my ignorance but what is a wet footprint?

An engine failure or loss of pressurization at your halfway point will force you lower, slow you down and increase your fuel burn. If this means you have to swim the last 100 miles, then you have a wet footprint.

Simplified explanation, but you get the drift.

 

[ultrarunner]

Still looking for someone (that doesn't work for Cessna) to help me believe Seattle to Hawaii will not produce a wet footprint...

NW, have the usual flight planning outfits burn you some summary flight plans with ETP's and such. They can use currents winds, Boeing winds, etc...

That'll tell you what you're up against.

 

[frac pilot]

G100, thanks again, but not sure the 300 is in our budget. (Nor do we believe it would make a good investment...)

A Challenger 300 is less than the cost of a new X. Space, range, DOC, and reliability are just a few attributes that the 300 has over the X. You may want to fly in one before you make a decision.

good luck.

 

[NW Flyer]

Find me a Challenger 300 with less than 2500 hours on it under 13 mil. We'll write a check tomorrow!

 

[frac pilot]

That's the first post i've seen with a price restriction on it..makes sense now. I still think you'll realize the investment even if it takes two years to get a 300.

 

[G100driver]

This was just in my "IN" box. This might help going from BFI-PHKO. I know it talks about high-hot, but it seems that winglets are mainly used to increase range.

Cessna To Offer Winglets on Citation X
Cessna announced today that it is partnering with Winglet Technology of Wichita to offer the company’s patented elliptical winglets as a retrofit later this year for in-service Citation Xs. Though flight testing won’t begin until later this summer, Winglet Technology president Bob Kiser told AIN the design has been shown to “significantly improve performance” on hot days at higher elevations. Cessna is unable to offer specific performance figures or a price at this time, although the company said it is also looking at incorporating the winglets on the Citation X production line in the future. This is the first contract for Winglet Technology. According to Kiser, the company’s winglet forms a continuous curving shape in the form of an ellipse. A Cessna spokeswoman said the company is not concerned about working with such an unproven design and that it evaluated other, better-known designs.[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]

 

[SansPlane]

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N1BS/history/20070315/2032Z/KSCK/PHOG

 

[NW Flyer]

FlightAware is currently closed for maintenance or upgrades

-Guess I'll wait til morning!

 

[Avalanche]

Will a Lr-60 make the trip from LAX?

 

[dash8driver]

if you get someone to run some flight plans for you, make sure they plan some using winter jet stream patterns. sometimes they come low enough and strong enough to make some lesser ranged planes have to stop in the bay area for fuel.

 

[ultrarunner]

Will a Lr-60 make the trip from LAX?

Not without a wet footprint. But some idiots do it.

 

[HA25]

Will a Lr-60 make the trip from LAX?

From what little I know of the 60, that would be a bad idea in my view..

remember, there is nothing between the west coast of the US and HI.. not a sigle rock.

 

[xrated]

We had a fleet of 5 X's at my last outfit which I flew on, and we never did Hawaii because it was simply too risky.. Our Falcon 2000, and EMB Legacies however did them frequently.

Sorry Sam, but I gotta bust your Ba!!s. I did HI four times over there, twice it was a turn....now those trips were killers. Hope you're enjoying your new gig. Lets talk about the middle east issue, thats a fun topic...LOL!