Hawaii in a X...

[NW Flyer]

So, our flight department is considering a Citation X. One typical mission would be from Seattle to Hawaii.

Can any of you seasoned "ten" guys (or gals) give me some insight on this trip?
---Are we going to run into a wet footprint?
---Will we have to run down to Cali for a fuel stop?
---Should we be looking for something else?

 

[G100driver]

You should ask the guys at NetJets. They fly over there all the time but have very strict rules of when they can or cannot. I can guarentee that no one there will fly with a wet footprint.

 

[G100driver]

Sorry, did not see your post over on the fractional side

 

[G100driver]

?
---Should we be looking for something else?

Everday off a short runway.

http://www.dassaultfalcon.com/aircraft/50ex/

I spent 6.5 hour one day going from BFI-PHKO in one. My arse hurt, but we still had lots of fuel when we got there!

 

[X man]

X

Flew to Hawaii with out any problem from Sacramento, just crew, flew back with 3 pax, normal bags, landed in SFO, and upon touch down, the guy in the back advises us in a bit of a panic that he wanted to go to San Jose. Taxed back out did a tower to tower after the tower had closed in San Jose, landed with 1800 lbs, so I think it would work well for you, but there is always the occasion when winds will stop your crossing. This would not be a very high percentage on that route though. By the way ,the paper work said SFO, so we did make the mistake in not confirming it with the passenger.

 

[Brett Hull]

...landed in SFO, and upon touch down, the guy in the back advises us in a bit of a panic that he wanted to go to San Jose.

As the knucklehead sat there for 4 hours with the airshow staring him in the face saying "ETA in San Fransisco: X:XX" :smash:

 

[NW Flyer]

Thanks Xman for your input.

G100, sorry, Falcon is not an option (don't ask...).

Any more words of wisdom out there? I hope so!

 

[G100driver]

Aw, common I love a great story!

Lemme guess, he hates the French or he "thinks" 3 engines cost to much to support?

 

[NW Flyer]

Honestly, I don't know the whole story. Suffice it to say, we are not shopping for a French airplane.

Hey, it's HIS money, right?

 

[HA25]

We had a fleet of 5 X's at my last outfit which I flew on, and we never did Hawaii because it was simply too risky.. Our Falcon 2000, and EMB Legacies however did them frequently.

 

[G100driver]

Hey, it's HIS money, right?

Yep, I know that story! Just so long as he likes to spend it on airplanes we all win!

How about this:

http://www.controller.com/listings/...1107628&guid=3425D912F7954D1AB19BE5E306DE8083

I am sure it is at a premium, but it would do it all without any sweat on your brow.

 

[152SIC]

Too risky? I have flown to Hawaii in the X a few times from KSJC. No risk at all, and no wet footprint either. KBFI is a bit further away, but I would think you could do it most days with no wet footprint.

 

[HA25]

Too risky? I have flown to Hawaii in the X a few times from KSJC. No risk at all, and no wet footprint either. KBFI is a bit further away, but I would think you could do it most days with no wet footprint.

don't know what their logic was, but that was what the DO and CP more or less said.. we didn't do NAT or PAC on the X..

 

[NW Flyer]

Exactly the conversation I was looking for. Keep it coming!

G100, thanks again, but not sure the 300 is in our budget. (Nor do we believe it would make a good investment...)

 

[G100driver]

Sounds like a X in your future!

 

[junkjockey]

Pardon my ignorance but what is a wet footprint?

 

[NW Flyer]

Still looking for someone (that doesn't work for Cessna) to help me believe Seattle to Hawaii will not produce a wet footprint...

 

[NW Flyer]

Pardon my ignorance but what is a wet footprint?

An engine failure or loss of pressurization at your halfway point will force you lower, slow you down and increase your fuel burn. If this means you have to swim the last 100 miles, then you have a wet footprint.

Simplified explanation, but you get the drift.

 

[ultrarunner]

Still looking for someone (that doesn't work for Cessna) to help me believe Seattle to Hawaii will not produce a wet footprint...

NW, have the usual flight planning outfits burn you some summary flight plans with ETP's and such. They can use currents winds, Boeing winds, etc...

That'll tell you what you're up against.

 

[frac pilot]

G100, thanks again, but not sure the 300 is in our budget. (Nor do we believe it would make a good investment...)

A Challenger 300 is less than the cost of a new X. Space, range, DOC, and reliability are just a few attributes that the 300 has over the X. You may want to fly in one before you make a decision.

good luck.