Screw TSA This Sucks

[Avi8tor2000]

Just go get your FFDO and tell them to eat sh!t when they come calling for you.

 

[bacardi]

Just comply, and waste as much time at the checkpoint as possible. Don't take anything off. Fumble with your cellphone. Make them search you and wand you. The more we jam up the checkpoints, the faster this stupid rule will be changed!

It's time we pilots grow a set, and practice a little CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE at the checkpoint!!!!

GREAT IDEA

 

[HoserASA]

At ASA all employees (including pilots) ride the bus from employee parking to the concourse, bypassing security. They then work the gates, ramp, mtc, fly the planes, etc. So, are we (pilots) supposed to go thru security at Hartsfeild-Jackson before reporting for duty? Should be fun to find the longest line.

Hoser

 

[skychicken]

so does this mean we need a boarding pass to make it through the security checkpoint when we get to the airport initially to commute to work??

 

[DiverDriver]

I think it does.

 

[skystud25]

happened to me yesterday. Coming out of Pensacola to Denver through Atlanta, went through security at PNS, no stamp because they weren't doing it yet, and sent out to the terminal in ATL to get a new boarding pass and a stamp before continuing. The AirTran guy in front of me was going off on the poor agent, just got off a trip and trying to jumpseat home, now he has to go out to the check-in counter and wade through the mass of humanity to get through security. The usual fire/aim mentality of TSA, but let's face it, they could care less about commuting crew members.

 

[ReverseSensing]

Actually, it was YOUR airline... QX. I worked there almost 5 years...

and yes, i was after 9/11 that this guy got fired.

And yes, I do spend alot of time in airports, almost every four days...

I seriously doubt the veracity of your story. I'm accustomed to dispatchers living in a vivid fantasy world, though, so it's not entirely your fault.

 

[rightseatjocky]

Just comply, and waste as much time at the checkpoint as possible. Don't take anything off. Fumble with your cellphone. Make them search you and wand you. The more we jam up the checkpoints, the faster this stupid rule will be changed!

It's time we pilots grow a set, and practice a little CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE at the checkpoint!!!!

AMEN BROTHA. Those TSA jerk offs will know that I will not answer any questions. I go through security, when they say hello, I don't answer. I think they are testing for alcohol. I will go through and make them wand me every single time and make them delay a flight. Every time, I will write them up with names and badge numbers. It will come to an end.

 

[AWACO]

AMEN BROTHA. Those TSA jerk offs will know that I will not answer any questions. I go through security, when they say hello, I don't answer. I think they are testing for alcohol. I will go through and make them wand me every single time and make them delay a flight. Every time, I will write them up with names and badge numbers. It will come to an end.

So your going to write them up with names and badge number for what? Doing their jobs? Ya its a stupid rule but what are you going to accomplish?

 

[XJohXJ]

I think his point was more along the lines of:

Airlines do not care at all if this sucks for crews. However, if TSA procedures lead to actuall flight delays (or flight cx when a required crewmember misses a DH), and if the crewmembers effected can (unemotionally) document these delays, then airlines will start to care and apply pressure to remedy the situation.

Airlines don't give a flying rats @ss how much this sucks until it starts to cost them money.

 

[rightseatjocky]

Exactly xj. Thanks for explaining it. I think that the more flight delays there are, the sooner we can get this over with and do what flight crews are supposed to do.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Make those detectors beep 12 times per crew member. Forget about removing your keys, cell phone, belt, etc.... Start wearing A LOT of metal. Hang a set of keys off your johnson so they will have to into the back and do a full search.

Don't take off your shoes, thus requiring a wand search. EVERY TIME!!

The sooner we do this the sooner it ends

 

[CFI2766]

This all sounds well and good, the CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE, but it's going to bite us: Instead of changing the rule, or somehow coming up with a compromise, we as crewmembers will simply be required to show up even earlier. Then, when we are late because of the TSA, we will be reminded that we have been required to show up earlier, on our own UNPAID time.

Think about it: how is showing up late going to sway the thinking of management? What's the easiest, cheapest solution? Make the flight crew culpable for the time they spend in line waiting on the TSA morons.

It will simply be a matter of time until we get a new bulletin dictating how far in advance we must show up to deadhead.

 

[jacksjj]

The first time I have to do this, I am gonna RIP ONE right in the TSA guys face, and then say "I think I speak on behalf of all pilots with that remark."... and walk off smiling.

 

[RJP]

This all sounds well and good, the CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE, but it's going to bite us: Instead of changing the rule, or somehow coming up with a compromise, we as crewmembers will simply be required to show up even earlier. Then, when we are late because of the TSA, we will be reminded that we have been required to show up earlier, on our own UNPAID time.

Think about it: how is showing up late going to sway the thinking of management? What's the easiest, cheapest solution? Make the flight crew culpable for the time they spend in line waiting on the TSA morons.

It will simply be a matter of time until we get a new bulletin dictating how far in advance we must show up to deadhead.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner! You sir, have got the correct insight in this issue. No company will care about how long anyone stands in a TSA line, they'll just have crews show an extra hour early. And, you're right, it will be unpaid.

One more reason to find a new career.

 

[regionalcap]

This all sounds well and good, the CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE, but it's going to bite us: Instead of changing the rule, or somehow coming up with a compromise, we as crewmembers will simply be required to show up even earlier. Then, when we are late because of the TSA, we will be reminded that we have been required to show up earlier, on our own UNPAID time.

Think about it: how is showing up late going to sway the thinking of management? What's the easiest, cheapest solution? Make the flight crew culpable for the time they spend in line waiting on the TSA morons.

It will simply be a matter of time until we get a new bulletin dictating how far in advance we must show up to deadhead.

They cannot just alter the duty in time at will. This is why you have a contract. When the company changed our dutyin time from 45 minutes to an hour, they had to give us a raise to compensate.

 

[CFI2766]

They cannot just alter the duty in time at will. This is why you have a contract. When the company changed our dutyin time from 45 minutes to an hour, they had to give us a raise to compensate.

Sure they can. Didn't we, in times past, get paid for the time it took us to get our SIDA badges? Do we now?

Also, it's been a good long while since we've had a new contract...I wonder if this topic is even something that is considered at the negotiating table...

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Sure they can. Didn't we, in times past, get paid for the time it took us to get our SIDA badges? Do we now?

Also, it's been a good long while since we've had a new contract...I wonder if this topic is even something that is considered at the negotiating table...

If you're talking about ASA, no we never got paid for the time it took us to get our SIDA badges. ATL crews at one time had the benefit of knocking out our SIDA stuff in recurrent, but DFW crews never did. It was an extra-contractual benefit and only changed due to ATL airport badging requirements. Nowhere in the contract will you find any discussion of pay for SIDA badge renewal. Duty in times, on the other hand, are set in stone at 1 hr in domicile and 45 min at the outstations. Hit the parking lot, ride to ops, duty in one hour prior to departure for your deadhead, then head to the terminal for your screening circus. If ops/scheduling/dispatch wants to delay the flight to wait for you, then that's their problem.

However, the company has no ability to change our duty in time at will. They've exploited a lot of grey areas in our contract over the past couple of years, but there's no grey area to be found in the duty in requirements. Let the civil disobedience begin, I say.

 

[sweptback]

However, the company has no ability to change our duty in time at will. They've exploited a lot of grey areas in our contract over the past couple of years, but there's no grey area to be found in the duty in requirements. Let the civil disobedience begin, I say.

Exactly, if scheduling shows you dutied in on time, but due to the TSA BS you happen to miss your deadhead flight, there's nothing they can do. You complied with the contract to the letter.

 

[regionalcap]

Sure they can. Didn't we, in times past, get paid for the time it took us to get our SIDA badges? Do we now?

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Again,no they cannot. Also, we never got paid for getting our SIDA badges.