Update - US Airways Recalls

[BenderGonzales]

It's moving so much faster than I ever imagined...

 

[4lowed]

Guys,

Just remember that these are not recall letters. It's not really moving all that fast. Everytime a new official recall goes out they go back to the top of the list and come down. I think we have a long way to go to hit the bottom of the list and to start dealing with "must come back now" recalls.

4lowed

 

[Turtle21]

Guys,

Just remember that these are not recall letters. It's not really moving all that fast. Everytime a new official recall goes out they go back to the top of the list and come down. I think we have a long way to go to hit the bottom of the list and to start dealing with "must come back now" recalls.

4lowed

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The "must come back now" might take awhile, but my reps told me to expect that the next recall in the fall will be nothing but 190s (we can pass 190 forever without penalty). Recall "opportunity" to 190 FOs I imagene will fall so fast through the list that it will bust through the bottom and end up on the street.

 

[Swaayze]

Spoke to the wife, my letter is on the counter at home. It IS moving very fast and IIRC they are rumored to already have an April '99 guy slated for a May recall class with another 60 slots to fill (and these are all the significantly higher paying Group 2 and better airplanes, the 190 slots will go very junior) for this bid with probably more to come later this summer. Now they're already lettering 200-300 folks below April to 7/99 and there's only 600ish below me on the APL including the CEL folks.

I do think it will slow some when the contract/seniority list are finished and some people fill in below many of us. I'll be bypassing for now simply to avoid commuting to reserve and so I can see the finished products before deciding.

I suspect many of the guys in J4J positions may go ahead and accept because they know they'll be withheld. That will also have an effect on slowing "new" recalls in about a year. But I do think the 190 will be staffed with newhires very soon if ALPA doesn't give away the unlimited bypass .

 

[Turtle21]

Is it really ALPA that made it suck?

Or was it the pilots who believed everything the company said to them?
ALPA lost the education war?
Or was it the pilots who refused to let the MEC have time to look over a contract proposal? Huh!?
Or was it the MEC member who told the negotiating committee, in desperation, to "Take a deal, any deal"? Ya mean the one that gave away the pension?
Maybe it was the other MEC member who campaigned on the platform of making a change...then got elected and promptly fell in line with the company's wishes...and still got re-elected !!! Only because they furloughed about 2,000 pilots.
Or was it the pilots who picketed publicly against their own MEC? Oh I miss the days when you used tar and feathers.

Who really made it suck? Well who represents United, USAir, Northwest, and Delta? And what do their pensions have in common?

Who represents all the regionals that take it in the shorts so Mainline can keep some of their pay? Name one thing ALPA has done besides give.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Good to see all you guys on here. I'm sure my letter is on the desk at home.

The past 6 years have gone quickly in some ways, slowly in others. I guess the time started passing more quickly when it became apparent that the "new" US Airways is not the company, pay, retirement, working conditions that we signed up for in 1999/2000.

The seniority integration will be key. I am not hopeful for a favorable outcome as the best offer I remember seeing placed a 6/99 US hire date 3 years behind a AWA seniority number. Not sure how that happened, nor do I really care anymore.

Flying at US was fun. I miss many things but I think my mind is made up. Big airplane fever is alive for some these days I guess.

In 1999 it was all about:

-APU
Cockpit Door
-F/As

In 2007 it's all about:

-Quality of Life (QOL)
-Money
-Strong Union

Just waiting for final confirmation of my suspicions.

My God, we all got old fast.

Good luck to all no matter what you choose!

 

[BenderGonzales]

Hey John,
If you leave that gig I will harass you forever about shiny-jet syndrome. You guys have a good contract and a good lifestyle there.

MW

 

[MCDU]

The reason they are going so far down the list is because Usair is trying to find pilots willing to take the handful of 190 slots. I think there are about ten positions for the 190 that are to be filled and no one wants them.
Hopefully no one will take them.

marty

 

[152SIC]

Why would you hope that no one would take these positions?

Just curious since it seems better for US Air to fly them as opposed to... Mesa.

 

[Crzipilot]

Actually they haven't had a 190 f/o position offered yet. I believe there are only 5 on this bid anyways, and will prob. be in the June 7th class, as everyone notified has been told Group II or higher. when they start giving the 190 as a choice, it's going to go way past July 99 I believe

 

[Swaayze]

Agreed. I bypassed today. Too much hassle vs. too little benefit to entice me to commute to reserve. I think the 190 slots will go very junior very quickly. Some J4J types may take them because they know they'll be withheld anyway. If LCC isn't beginning to set up a hiring process they're behind the curve.

 

[sucit]

what have you guys heard about a flow up for the guys stickin it out at PDT or PSA. and if they do decide to use the CEL list when would they start pulling people, best guess?

 

[Larcifer]

what have you guys heard about a flow up for the guys stickin it out at PDT or PSA. and if they do decide to use the CEL list when would they start pulling people, best guess?

Cold day in hell for the PSA guys is what I've been hearing. What comes around goes around.

 

[sucit]

Cold day in hell for the PSA guys is what I've been hearing. What comes around goes around.

I agree, so what about the PDT guys

 

[skydork]

Cold day in hell for the PSA guys is what I've been hearing. What comes around goes around.

Whats that supposed to mean, what goes around comes around? They came down, we go up. If thats what you mean then yes what comes around goes around.

 

[fletch]

It's my understanding, please correct me if I'm wrong, that U had a flow through agrement until PDT refused to allow their CEL pilots to "flow back" to PDT when MDA was shut down, thereby negating the "flow up" to mainline.

Again, not trying to flame. This is just what I've heard.

 

[WSurf]

It's my understanding, please correct me if I'm wrong, that U had a flow through agrement until PDT refused to allow their CEL pilots to "flow back" to PDT when MDA was shut down, thereby negating the "flow up" to mainline.

Again, not trying to flame. This is just what I've heard.

Let me help you understand, no flowback was ever signed upon. However a flowthru was agreed on and signed! With no flowback agreement signed, the CEL folks weren't able to flow back. However, it seems that US Airways as of lately (recent town meeting) agreed that a flowup exists without a flowback. Was told that CEL would be called soon to fill FO seats on 190! (Paycuts for all the Captains at PDT)

Not trying to flame, just what I've heard..

 

[FR8mastr]

Whats that supposed to mean, what goes around comes around? They came down, we go up. If thats what you mean then yes what comes around goes around.

They came down due to the J4J deal, that has nothing to do with a flow thru. You might want to remind the people trying to screw the 6 pilots that used to be CEL, what is at risk.

 

[LaidOffAgain]

Anyone see Lee Armor on the seniority list? 88 or 89 hire. Thanks LOA

 

[Hutcha]

Does anyone have a contact number so I can update my address? It's been a while since I've seen anything, and I'm thinking I never updated.

 

[skydork]

They came down due to the J4J deal, that has nothing to do with a flow thru. You might want to remind the people trying to screw the 6 pilots that used to be CEL, what is at risk.

There are a lot more than 6 J4J pilots at PSA.

 

[FR8mastr]

There are a lot more than 6 J4J pilots at PSA.

That is true. There are only 6 ex CEL pilots at PSA, it is these pilots that certain factions at PSA are attempting to hose. This is one of the main reasons for the trouble with the ML MEC and the PSA MEC.

 

[Swaayze]

Does anyone have a contact number so I can update my address? It's been a while since I've seen anything, and I'm thinking I never updated.

You should be able to do it by calling the Chief Pilot's office at the domicile you were furloughed from.

 

[metrolet]

spoke with Charmane this morning about a class date.
DOH 5-31-99
Recall class date 5-21-07. group 2 or better.

 

[Capn Mike]

Does anyone have a contact number so I can update my address? It's been a while since I've seen anything, and I'm thinking I never updated.

(412)747-5542

 

[Crzipilot]

The calls have gone pretty quick. Seems they have gone down to the tail end of the 6/21/99 class for the May 21st recall class. Not sure how many spots they have to fill for the 21st. class.

More info, I guess, May 21st. is 20 guys. All Grp II or better, possible 75/76. One more class June 7th. 19 spots open. Expect only 3 190 f/o slots. the rest group II or better.

After that....the May 1st, bid has been rolled over to June. Further recalls in the neighborhood of 200+ are expectted through the rest of the year, maybe more.

On a comedic note, supposedly the higher ups don't know why furloughees wouldn't be interested in coming back on the 190 as f/o's...hahaha

 

[metrolet]

The higher ups have no concept of reality.

 

[LearLove]

I see alot of posts on here about calls going quick and going thru the list fast. I think guys need to slow down.

Remember the BIGGEST factor on how many will return will come on about a month from now (maybe a week or 2 longer) when the arbitrator rules on the east-west intigration. That is the single biggest factor in guys returning.

If I were a furlough at a j4j or JB or Airtran or corp or anyother decient flying gig and got the call the wise decision at this point is to bypass. Why give up your good current position when you could keep that good current position and watch what happens to U and make a decision down the road. I think most guys that have bypassed realize this and are mostly waiting on Mr. Arbitrators words come May.

After the ruling by Mr. Arbitrator then we will see a much better indication of how many return and at what rate they go thru the list. Until then todays indications really don't mean much - atleast in my opinion

Also for guys busting on the 190 FO positions, do you realize thoes actually went to most of the first recalls. There hasn't been a bid that had a 190 position on it in awhile from what I've seen.

 

[metrolet]

Bid 07-03 has 5 190FO positions
open on it. However, they have no yet been offered
to the returning pilots.

 

[BeCareful!]

The higher ups don't know what life is like on $40,000/year.