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HOUSTON, March 12 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Continental Airlines (NYSE: CAL - News) today announced that it has increased its commitment to the Boeing 787 Dreamliner, raising its firm order from 20 to 25 aircraft. By adding five 787-9 aircraft to its firm order, Continental is strengthening its ability to further modernize its fleet in the years ahead and unlocking additional international expansion opportunities.


In addition to increasing its firm order to 25 787s, Continental has converted 12 previously ordered 787-8s into 787-9s, for a total of 17 787-9 and eight 787-8 aircraft on firm order. Continental becomes the first airline in the Americas to order the 787-9, which will carry more passengers and fly further than the 787-8.
"Since we placed our initial 787 order in December 2004, we have become even more impressed with the 787 and its capabilities," said Larry Kellner, chairman and CEO. "The increased size and range of the 787-9 will allow us to serve more cities with the lowest operating seat cost of any aircraft in our fleet. This is the second time we have increased our 787 order, and demonstrates our continued confidence in Boeing and the 787."
The Boeing 787 is the optimal aircraft to support Continental's strategy for continued international growth. With expanded range capabilities, unmatched fuel efficiency and superior operating economics, the 787s will allow the company to replace less efficient widebody aircraft, and target additional long-haul markets. The 787s will also give Continental the ability to offer more capacity on international routes that need larger aircraft to support traffic growth.
Further modernizing a young fleet
Continental has approximately $9 billion (list price) of Boeing aircraft on order. In addition to the 25 787s, Continental has 60 737s and two 777s on order, plus options for 82 additional 737 and 787 aircraft. The two 777s will be delivered in the next 45 days.
The airline continues to employ a flexible fleet plan that provides Continental with the ability to adjust its fleet using orders, options and retirements to meet market conditions. Through its fleet modernization program, Continental has reduced the number of fleet types it operates to just three fleet types (777, 767/757 and 737) -- the least of all network carriers -- while maintaining the flexibility within each fleet type to meet various route and market needs.
With today's high fuel costs and rising environmental concerns, Continental is very focused on operating a young and fuel efficient fleet. Continental's mainline fleet is the youngest among all network airlines based in the U.S., with an average aircraft age of less than 10 years. The airline has reduced fuel consumption per revenue passenger mile by 34.1 percent in the last 10 years. Furthermore, no other U.S.-based network carrier burns less fuel per available seat mile than Continental, which translates to Continental having lower CO2 emissions per available seat mile than its primary competitors. Continental is well positioned among its network competitors, having the advantage of both a young fleet and significant orders for new aircraft. Other airlines are operating older fleets and have not been able to establish new aircraft order positions. With today's order, Continental preserves this advantage as aircraft manufacturers continue to be sold out of their capacity for the next several years.
 
More great news from CAL!

Not sure I agree. More great news would have been a wage and QOL increase. They are buying these planes on the backs of the employees. How about ALPA put out an announcement in the AP saying "CALALPA announces that corresponding with the 787 orders, CAL will increase pilot wages by 50%." If not, it's just SJS.
 
Not sure I agree. More great news would have been a wage and QOL increase. They are buying these planes on the backs of the employees. How about ALPA put out an announcement in the AP saying "CALALPA announces that corresponding with the 787 orders, CAL will increase pilot wages by 50%." If not, it's just SJS.


Or "HJS", Heavy Jet Syndrome.
 
Not sure I agree. More great news would have been a wage and QOL increase. They are buying these planes on the backs of the employees. How about ALPA put out an announcement in the AP saying "CALALPA announces that corresponding with the 787 orders, CAL will increase pilot wages by 50%." If not, it's just SJS.

As a CAL pilot I agree with appropriate wage increases for the new airplanes. However, I am confident that come Contract 08, we will obtain a significantly better contract addressing QOL and $ issues prior to any 787's coming on property. This is not the Continental of the past, the new blood being infused into this pilot group during this hiring spree is not going to settle for a garbage contract.
 
As a CAL pilot I agree with appropriate wage increases for the new airplanes. However, I am confident that come Contract 08, we will obtain a significantly better contract addressing QOL and $ issues prior to any 787's coming on property. This is not the Continental of the past, the new blood being infused into this pilot group during this hiring spree is not going to settle for a garbage contract.

Amen brother. Maybe we can actually get some true unity.
 
Lets hope

I have talked to many a Cal Captain regarding contract 08 and unfortunately the general concenus is that we will accept the first offer that the company throws at us. I feel that with the large #'s of new hires, things will be different. The key here is seeing through a contract proposal that will divide the pilot group, ie higher pay for the new hires or pension issues for the senior group of pilots. Let hope that we can together, hold out for a contract that takes care of everyones best interests.
 
I have talked to many a Cal Captain regarding contract 08 and unfortunately the general concenus is that we will accept the first offer that the company throws at us. I feel that with the large #'s of new hires, things will be different. The key here is seeing through a contract proposal that will divide the pilot group, ie higher pay for the new hires or pension issues for the senior group of pilots. Let hope that we can together, hold out for a contract that takes care of everyones best interests.

If that was the case we could of taken the companies first or second offer to extend our contract with minor improvements, but we didn't and now the company will have to open Sec 6 early if they want to negotiiate. I think we can get some great improvements in 08.
 
I have talked to many a Cal Captain regarding contract 08 and unfortunately the general concenus is that we will accept the first offer that the company throws at us. .


What is their rationale?
 
Maybe you guys can negotiate a rest seat too....its really garbage that you guys don't have something specific setup, especially as CAL expands internationally like everyone else. And deadheading guys in coach internationally is unacceptable too...

I really hope you guys get some good improvements. I have a lot of friends at CAL and they are generally dismayed at the "I've got mine" attitude of many of their captains.

Then again, there's always that crowd at every airline.... we pilots don't have a good history of looking out for each other.

Good luck and congrats on the new birds.
 
When will this equipment show up on a system bid? Since the system bid projects positions a year in advance, it seems like it would pretty soon.
 
When will this equipment show up on a system bid? Since the system bid projects positions a year in advance, it seems like it would pretty soon.

I would probably guess the Aug 2008 system bid. This next system bid should be pretty big with all the 737's we are getting next year. We are getting a net of 15, and seeing as the Aug 2006 system bid had about 500 vacancies with only two airplanes coming, I would expect to see at least 500 vancancies on the next bid.
 
Flew with the 756 fleet manager last month. As far as he knows, it is still going to be a common type with differences training only.
 
As a CAL pilot I agree with appropriate wage increases for the new airplanes. However, I am confident that come Contract 08, we will obtain a significantly better contract addressing QOL and $ issues prior to any 787's coming on property. This is not the Continental of the past, the new blood being infused into this pilot group during this hiring spree is not going to settle for a garbage contract.


Very well said. There are many of us who actually had better contracts at the regional airlines we came from than what CAL currently has. This needs to change. As the old scab trash finally retires who let this crap go on at CAL for the last couple of decades, the new younger pilots are going to demand change!!!
 
Very well said. There are many of us who actually had better contracts at the regional airlines we came from than what CAL currently has. This needs to change. As the old scab trash finally retires who let this crap go on at CAL for the last couple of decades, the new younger pilots are going to demand change!!!

Except for the sons and daughters of the scabs.
 
Crucianpilot,
Did the fleet mgr say anything about the 767-200? Some guys who claim they are in the know say the planes are staying when the 787 arrives and others say they are leaving. I don't get on the crackpipe (aka forums) where I am sure they are discussing it.
 
Except for the sons and daughters of the scabs.

But there are plenty of new hires here that are very strong unionists. And they probably come pretty close to outnumbering the scabs.

It really ticks me off to hear people refering to CAL as Scab central... Yes that is there in our past (24 years ago) but now the rest of us are trying to go beyond that and move this airline in a positive direction.
 
Except for the sons and daughters of the scabs.

Or you could look at it realisitically: Their daddy crossed, before junior knows what a scab is. Sounds vaguely unpleasant at 4 years old, but not high on a toddlers list of concerns. Eventually junior figures this whole scene out around 12, when he realizes CAL was on strike when daddy was hired.

Then daddy spends the next 15 years getting paid less than any other Major pilot and hating it. Spends the next 22 years bitching, whining, and moaning about Frank, Hollis, Fergie, Gordon, and Larry, begrudging them their million dollar bonuses, begrudging the PEX guys, the NYA guys, the FL guys, and the TXI guys. And for good measure, begrudging the UA guys their bigger houses. Begrudging the Chelsea employees their pass class, begrudging Ford Explorers, begrudging the MEC for "not fighting hard enough," begrudging ALPA for their paltry retirement. Competely ignorant or uncaring about their past actions impact on the present sad state of affairs.

Junior eventually sees this revolting "I deserve better, f the rest" attitude infecting all aspects of said scab's life. Teenagers have a detector for hypocrisy like no other, and junior resolves to never do such a heinous thing no matter what the cost. Junior comes out swinging, militant, and informed, ready to write the pages of Flying The Line III with management's blood.
 
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It really ticks me off to hear people refering to CAL as Scab central... Yes that is there in our past (24 years ago) but now the rest of us are trying to go beyond that and move this airline in a positive direction.

Like it or not, it will be considered this way until it proves it is a different pilot group. It earned its infamy the easy way. The only way out of it is to earn respect the hard way.

The company's financial position is on the upswing and the contract openers are next year. Not voting "yes" on the company's first paltry offer might be a start.
 
Or you could look at it realisitically: Their daddy crossed, before junior knows what a scab is. Sounds vaguely unpleasant at 4 years old, but not high on a toddlers list of concerns. Eventually junior figures this whole scene out around 12, when he realizes CAL was on strike when daddy was hired.

Then daddy spends the next 15 years getting paid less than any other Major pilot and hating it. Spends the next 22 years bitching, whining, and moaning about Frank, Hollis, Fergie, Gordon, and Larry, begrudging them their million dollar bonuses, begrudging the PEX guys, the NYA guys, the FL guys, and the TXI guys. And for good measure, begrudging the UA guys their bigger houses. Begrudging the Chelsea employees their pass class, begrudging Ford Explorers, begrudging the MEC for "not fighting hard enough," begrudging ALPA for their paltry retirement. Competely ignorant or uncaring about their past actions impact on the present sad state of affairs.

Junior eventually sees this revolting "I deserve better, f the rest" attitude infecting all aspects of said scab's life. Teenagers have a detector for hypocrisy like no other, and junior resolves to never do such a heinous thing no matter what the cost. Junior comes out swinging, militant, and informed, ready to write the pages of Flying The Line III with management's blood.

Good point, and I hope that is the way it would pan out. On the flip side;

Junior flys with all the guys that had the balls to walk. Junior hears them bitch and moan about how much they lost during the strike. Junior is grateful his dad scabbed because it helped to give him everything he ever wanted, while the children of the guys with balls probably had a little bit less. I'm not saying they were destitute and on the street begging for change. Junior decides he would scab because he would not want to loose anyting. After all, what is son of scab going to do if there is a strike? He got hired at CAL with no turbine PIC time. His job prospects would suck if there was a strike.

Here is the worst part. Junior flys at CAL and realizes that being a scab isn't such a bad thing. For some reason, ALPA let them all back in to, so it couldn't have been such a bad thing, right? After all, Daddy did it and everything seemed to come out honky dory.

I'd much rather have it your way.
 
Its important for the pilots and the company to work together on a mutually beneficial contract....the pilots deserve and should certainly get more, but they have to be reasonable as well.
 
Its important for the pilots and the company to work together on a mutually beneficial contract....the pilots deserve and should certainly get more, but they have to be reasonable as well.

Just like the company was "reasonable" on the last contract? They ran up the score and gloated about it, payback's a bitch. They have milked 9/11 for everything it's worth, the party is now over.
 

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