CAL pilots beware

[LJDRVR]

If there is EVER a small narrow body on CAL's property, it will be flown by a Continental pilot. Period.

Pointing fingers and name-calling isn't going to change anything. There's plenty of blame to be shared here. Mainline pilots who allowed RJ's in the first place. (Most often these are are the same loud-mouthed RJ hating pricks who voted in the industries b-scale. These same selfish asses are screaming bloody murder about their right to fly till 65. NONE of these thing should have EVER happened.)

Companies who manipulated their employee groups and the bankruptcy courts are guilty too.

Then there's you guys and girls flying those 170/190's for slave wages and dreaming of a career job that you yourself are making more scarce than it needs to be, all the while railing mightily against anybody who questions your intelligence for doing so. Hope you like working for Bedford: you may be doing so longer than planned

"It's the same as a 900!"

No, it's not. A customer riding in a 900 knows they're in an RJ. The 170 passenger thinks it's a mainline jet.

NO SCOPE RELIEF. EVER.

 

[dogtown]

They can have them, but it wont say Express, Connection, etc on the side. I will re-state what catIIIc said earlier. This and PBS are probably the two biggest things this pilot group is unified on. CHQ can drool at the opportunity all they want. Aint gonna happen.

Please don't move an inch.

 

[lookin4better]

If there is EVER a small narrow body on CAL's property, it will be flown by a Continental pilot. Period.

Pointing fingers and name-calling isn't going to change anything. There's plenty of blame to be shared here. Mainline pilots who allowed RJ's in the first place. (Most often these are are the same loud-mouthed RJ hating pricks who voted in the industries b-scale. These same selfish asses are screaming bloody murder about their right to fly till 65. NONE of these thing should have EVER happened.)

Companies who manipulated their employee groups and the bankruptcy courts are guilty too.

Then there's you guys and girls flying those 170/190's for slave wages and dreaming of a career job that you yourself are making more scarce than it needs to be, all the while railing mightily against anybody who questions your intelligence for doing so. Hope you like working for Bedford: you may be doing so longer than planned

"It's the same as a 900!"

No, it's not. A customer riding in a 900 knows they're in an RJ. The 170 passenger thinks it's a mainline jet.

NO SCOPE RELIEF. EVER.

Well said!! I like the last line the best! This should have been done aong time ago with other carriers......there would be many more pilots with mainline jobs!

 

[Palomino]

If there is EVER a small narrow body on CAL's property, it will be flown by a Continental pilot. Period.

Pointing fingers and name-calling isn't going to change anything. There's plenty of blame to be shared here. Mainline pilots who allowed RJ's in the first place. (Most often these are are the same loud-mouthed RJ hating pricks who voted in the industries b-scale. These same selfish asses are screaming bloody murder about their right to fly till 65. NONE of these thing should have EVER happened.)

Companies who manipulated their employee groups and the bankruptcy courts are guilty too.

Then there's you guys and girls flying those 170/190's for slave wages and dreaming of a career job that you yourself are making more scarce than it needs to be, all the while railing mightily against anybody who questions your intelligence for doing so. Hope you like working for Bedford: you may be doing so longer than planned

"It's the same as a 900!"

No, it's not. A customer riding in a 900 knows they're in an RJ. The 170 passenger thinks it's a mainline jet.

NO SCOPE RELIEF. EVER.

spot on. agreed. i concur.

there is plenty of blame to go around. but we all have seen what the results can be. just one 70-seater mainline look-alike jet can multiply into an entire fleet of career-killers in a very short time. let's learn our lesson and maintain control of our future.

SCOPE!

 

[SennaP1]

No, it's not. A customer riding in a 900 knows they're in an RJ. The 170 passenger thinks it's a mainline jet.

NO SCOPE RELIEF. EVER.

The Customer has no clue, except that expedia, hotwire, cheaptickets offer the lowest fares.

I'm counting on you guys at CAL to never give up Scope. Please Don't. I'm at CHQ.

JUST PLEASE STOP SCREAMING.

 

[pkober]

Agreed. No scope relief, ever. I am surprised though when I get into this discussion with some Captains here and they say if they get old pay rates then they would allow some relief. Most of these guys have been making good money since hired in 83-85 and have never been furloughed. They don't realize the importance of scope because it has never bitten them. Even though it does everyday and they are too stupid to see it.

 

[Palomino]

Agreed. No scope relief, ever. I am surprised though when I get into this discussion with some Captains here and they say if they get old pay rates then they would allow some relief. Most of these guys have been making good money since hired in 83-85 and have never been furloughed. They don't realize the importance of scope because it has never bitten them. Even though it does everyday and they are too stupid to see it.

yep. and i can't really feel sorry for the guy who has 5 months to retirement and gets JUNIOR MANNED (as i witnessed in IAH the other day)

these guys don't realize the effects of a crappy contract until it affects their lives directly.

SCOPE!

 

[NuGuy]

Agreed. No scope relief, ever. I am surprised though when I get into this discussion with some Captains here and they say if they get old pay rates then they would allow some relief. Most of these guys have been making good money since hired in 83-85 and have never been furloughed. They don't realize the importance of scope because it has never bitten them. Even though it does everyday and they are too stupid to see it.

Heyas PK,

It could be worse. At NW, there is a pile of "red book" guys who are in the same situation. They all got hired at 23-25, made widebody captain in just a few years, and have been sitting on the top of the list for decades.

More than 20 years after the fact, they are still wasting everyone's time and money fighting the NWA/Republic merger.

The crappy agreement was passed just to satisfy them and their pension, and it's still not enough. Even though they are receiving their full pension, they STILL want a slice of the defined contribition plan that the junior folks were promised for pasing the TA.

As a part of the "spare no expense to save the pension", the scope relief has allowed the company to park over 50 aircraft, and replace them with 70 seat RJs. After promsing that no aircraft would be parked because of it, turns out the company is parking EXACTLY the number of mainline aircraft that equals the number of seats in the allowed RJs. All the senior dudes that pushed this crappy contract have since disappeared into the woodwork.

The result is a senior/junior war that is tearing the pilot group appart.

Learn from the NWA example. DO NOT GIVE UP SCOPE.

Nu

 

[Deerkiller]

Agreed. No scope relief, ever. I am surprised though when I get into this discussion with some Captains here and they say if they get old pay rates then they would allow some relief. Most of these guys have been making good money since hired in 83-85 and have never been furloughed. They don't realize the importance of scope because it has never bitten them. Even though it does everyday and they are too stupid to see it.

Thank goodness these fools are outnumbered now and we can finally squelch their auto-yes votes.

SennaP1,

I WILL NEVER STOP SCREAMING AT THE TOP OF MY LUNGS.....NO SCOPE RELIEF!!!!!!!

 

[lookin4better]

I love the attitude the pilots at CAL have about SCOPE!!! You guys/gals are THE standard that ALL mainline pilots should look to when it comes to this subject!!!

Some younger pilots might not understand why the 'big jets' at their companies are a bad thing.....but its directly impacting their future careers! Those jobs need to be at mainline!! Keep it up!

 

[BigMeat]

Something tells me that this will be one of their biggest agendas for contract '08. In order to make up what pay that CAL pilots in 02 gave up we would need a 33% increase. This includes what was given up in 02 with adjustments to inflation plus other contractual items. They might threaten us with scope relief in order to attain what others have in bankruptcy. For those who have that auto-yes vote thing going, I have an auto-no. We have a long ways to go on this contract. It might get a little nasty. Im ready!

 

[RobCat]

Airline Pass. are not loyal to a brand/company.
They are loyal to :
#1 Destination
#2 Price
85% could not tell you the difference between a 9 and a crj, 90% of those don't care as long as you get them in on time.

Normaly that little tidbit would cost you $110 per hour.

 

[RobCat]

Anyone have an idea as to how may Airline Pilots run or have run a major airline?

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

Bill Compton at TWA. I believe he was MEC chair, then VP of Flt ops, then president, and the final CEO. TWA was #1 in on-time performance for a few years in the late 90s before the American takeover. In the end the damage done to the company by Icahn was too much to overcome and I believe Compton sold out his employees just like ALPA did when the sh!t hit the fan.

 

[RobCat]

Exactly, well TWA had problem back when Howard owned them. Didn't he have the pilot group take cuts. Well we all know what happened to TWA. So they were #1 in that sector and it still couldn't pull out.

I just wanted to post because most of us on this site are Pilots, we manage crews not airlines. We need to consider every pilot at every airline regional to major the same. Not bash each other. Its amazing with only 2 months training that guy flying that 1900 can be on the Dreamliner. Management knows this, and the passengers don't realy care.

 

[pkober]

Bill Compton at TWA. I believe he was MEC chair, then VP of Flt ops, then president, and the final CEO. TWA was #1 in on-time performance for a few years in the late 90s before the American takeover. In the end the damage done to the company by Icahn was too much to overcome and I believe Compton sold out his employees just like ALPA did when the sh!t hit the fan.

I'm gonna give Bill Compton the benefit of the doubt regarding the TWA/AA merger. Yeah he made a ton of money off of it, but I think he really believed it was best for the TWA employees. Had he known what would have happened he may not have done it.

I know there will be some that will disagree, feel free to attack.