Recalled to XJ

[Yudso]

Just got the Fedex today. Just out of curiosity, how many furloughees will be returning to the new and improved Mesaba? I am not even going to waste a dollar at kinkos to fax my resignation to them.

 

[TAWS]

Not me.

 

[gnx99]

I am, but I wish I wasn't. If I was smart, I would have gone to Pinnacle right away upon furlough. I'd probably be captain in a couple years making almost as much as a Mesaba CRJ900 captain. I guess I'll hope for a Saab upgrade in the same time frame.... It's nice they don't even give us a class date. Just on or after April 2nd. That makes planning my life easier

I still can't see why anyone would come here now, unless they live in base.

• $21,000 Training Contract
• 7-10 year upgrade, depending on base.
• Terrible jet rates

 

[fowingman]

is the class in the beginning of april full? how about hte ned of april class, is that full? anyone know?

 

[FSIGRAD]

Got the letter today also. Not a chance in hell I'm going back. Great pilot group, management belongs in prison.

Yudso, saw you on the DEN bid, moving back out west?

 

[FlyingFerris]

I'm staying away from that black hole of aviation carears. Even after the addition of 35 CRJ 900's they're still down aircraft from when I left and with the top 1/3 not going anywhere ever, my upgrade will happen roughly between never, to never ever. That and the horrible rates both on pay and insurance is enough for me to steer clear.

 

[5ontheglide]

Just got the Fedex today. Just out of curiosity, how many furloughees will be returning to the new and improved Mesaba? I am not even going to waste a dollar at kinkos to fax my resignation to them.

New and Improved?
Effectively, after all the houplah of the last year and a half, they've: traded 36 4-engine jets for 36 bad canadian 2-engine jets, agreed to a worse contract, proven that their willing to work for less, health insurance premiums have sky-rocketed and still have the same criminal CEO and "SLT".
New and Improved?

Oh - no I am not going back.

 

[wmudriver]

I laughed when I got the recall notice. I want to write "&uck Off" on it and send in.

No way I'm going back. It was said earlier; awesome pilot group with a mgmt team that can burn in h3ll.

 

[xjgearbtch]

Guys beat your chest here all you want. Do the right thing and go the formal way for resignation. Remember with the PRIA records you could get burned when appling to another airline when they request your records from XJ. They slamed you once don't let them do it again.

 

[CptMurf]

I still can't see why anyone would come here now, unless they live in base.

• $21,000 Training Contract
• 7-10 year upgrade, depending on base.
• Terrible jet rates

Do not read into this that I am trying to sway awayone's decision, just straightning out some facts...

There is a $21,00 training contract payable if you leave within one year and a 3 year seatlock to trade FO positions (this doesn't keep you from upgrading, just trading FO to FO). These both in place under the old contract.

We do have 7 year FO's now, but with the aircraft deliveries, the upgrade time should drop to about 2 years. In fact, if attrition stays about the same, all the furloughs will be CA's by the last CRJ900 delivery.

The concessions that we took will snapback to the prior contract upon delivery of the 36th CRJ900 (the contract will extend at this time slightly too).

Furloughess will be paid a portion of the claim (into 401k). It doesn't make up for all the money lost or time, but it will be a sizeable chunk of money.

The reason for the April 2 or after class dates stems from the furlough recalls. They don't/won't know how many are returning until they start class, which is on April 2nd. The furloughs, not surprisingly, will get to go to class before the new hires.

 

[FlyingFerris]

We do have 7 year FO's now, but with the aircraft deliveries, the upgrade time should drop to about 2 years. In fact, if attrition stays about the same, all the furloughs will be CA's by the last CRJ900 delivery.

How do you figure that especially with that immovable 1/3 at the top of the seniority list? On top of the lost Avro's there were like what 10 Saabs as well as 1 CRJ taken off line and yet to be replaced by anything, so Mesaba will still be short aircraft from when we all got furloughed.

I think I'll stick with where I'm at now because I get the 2 year upgrade(maybe) as well as fly under a contract that's as good as the contract I used to fly at Mesaba.

As to telling them, yeah I would like to tell them where to shove it, but they'll get the polite thanks but no thanks letter back.

 

[SplitBar]

Do not read into this that I am trying to sway awayone's decision, just straightning out some facts...

There is a $21,00 training contract payable if you leave within one year and a 3 year seatlock to trade FO positions (this doesn't keep you from upgrading, just trading FO to FO). These both in place under the old contract.

We do have 7 year FO's now, but with the aircraft deliveries, the upgrade time should drop to about 2 years. In fact, if attrition stays about the same, all the furloughs will be CA's by the last CRJ900 delivery.

The concessions that we took will snapback to the prior contract upon delivery of the 36th CRJ900 (the contract will extend at this time slightly too).

Furloughess will be paid a portion of the claim (into 401k). It doesn't make up for all the money lost or time, but it will be a sizeable chunk of money.

The reason for the April 2 or after class dates stems from the furlough recalls. They don't/won't know how many are returning until they start class, which is on April 2nd. The furloughs, not surprisingly, will get to go to class before the new hires.

Plus, the 36 CRJ900's are just the start of the growth. When it is all said and done XJ will have a nice fleet of 900's. Pay no attention to all of the sour grapes coming from those who have moved on. XJ has/had it's issues but looking forward, it isn't a blad place to be now. 90% of the pi$$ing and moaning is from former XJers. Most guys at XJ now are pretty upbeat about whats ahead for us.

 

[CptMurf]

How do you figure that especially with that immovable 1/3 at the top of the seniority list? On top of the lost Avro's there were like what 10 Saabs as well as 1 CRJ taken off line and yet to be replaced by anything, so Mesaba will still be short aircraft from when we all got furloughed.

attrition...seniority list is a lot smaller than when you left.

49 Saabs + 36 CRJ900's = 85 airframes
85 airframes x 6 CA's per A/C = 510 line CA's (not counting APD's/Instructors)
last seniority list shows 710 pilots
delivery schedule yet to be seen, but 3 a month it would take a year
current attrition is (and has been) 10 pilots per month... 120 a year...240 over 2 years

Like I said not trying to sell anyone here. This place is definately different (read worse) than when I hired on 8 years ago. But it still isn't so bad that it should get bashed as a bottom feeder.

 

[xjgearbtch]

Guys beat your chest here all you want. Do the right thing and go the formal way for resignation. Remember with the PRIA records you could get burned when appling to another airline when they request your records from XJ. They slamed you once don't let them do it again.

 

[fastback]

Guys beat your chest here all you want. Do the right thing and go the formal way for resignation. Remember with the PRIA records you could get burned when appling to another airline when they request your records from XJ. They slamed you once don't let them do it again.

I just want to tell you both, good luck, we're all counting on you.