Taking a 152 Across "the Pond"

[ShyFlyGuy]

Anyone ever heard of flying a 152 across the pond? There are tons over there, and they had to get there somehow. I've got a prospective buyer over there and a death wish, so:

-Are there aux tanks for the cabin of a 152?
-What kind of permits/user fees am I looking at?
-How much is 100LL in Greenland, Iceland, England, and Europe?
-Can one rent those cold-weather full-body lifesuits?
-What kind of additional equipment am I gonna need?
-Flight will be from the Chicago-are to Warsaw, Poland (I'm figuring about 4700NM, 45-48 hours)

Any info or not-so-obvious considerations I need to factor in would be appreciated.

Shy

 

[SPilot]

Did you read the recent article about ferry flying in AOPA Pilot? February 07 page 87.

 

[NW_Pilot]

Yea, it can be done but would be cheaper to crate it up and ship it!!! The ferry tank alone will cost almost $2,000 to $3,000 and only 1 place in the U.S. I know of that will tank a 150 they are in California.

last I paid for 100LL in Greenland I think they Hold the World Record About $13.00 a Gallon...

Yea, you can rent an immersion suit but best to buy a new one about $300.00

Don't forget about the Life Raft Rental & Return Shipping $$$$$ and a $1,200 min deposit on the thing.

Life Vest Also

Depending on Route HF Radio

But if the buyer has lots of dough to spend why not ferrying a buck fifty 2 across the pond would be a kick in the pants....

You may want to look at this ferry flight was done long ago by some other crazy ferry pilot!
http://www.cessna150-152.com/transatlantic.htm

Steven Rhine (Ferry Pilot)
www.ferrypilotservice.com

 

[NW_Pilot]

Did you read the recent article about ferry flying in AOPA Pilot? February 07 page 87.

Yea, I did.

 

[QueensPilot]

N W Pilot:
I'd like to Ferry aircraft one day. Is the crating idea going to cut in to the ferry business? Can larger aircraft, say a 182 or a Seneca be crated over? And I did read the AOPA article.
PM a guy named NIKOS1200 - he ferries all over the world.

Louie

 

[NW_Pilot]

N W Pilot:
I'd like to Ferry aircraft one day. Is the crating idea going to cut in to the ferry business? Can larger aircraft, say a 182 or a Seneca be crated over? And I did read the AOPA article.
PM a guy named NIKOS1200 - he ferries all over the world.

Louie

I have a PA28 going to South Africa as soon as the tanking company gives me the call sayin it's ready... I don't deal in containerizing airplanes to big a hassle to many things to deal with! And for ferrying aircraft to many people undercut and whore them selves out mostly on domestic flights!


Oh!! I have dropped a few planes off to places that crate them up and ship them...

 

[AC560]

I'd like to Ferry aircraft one day. Is the crating idea going to cut in to the ferry business? Can larger aircraft, say a 182 or a Seneca be crated over?

If you can easily pull the wings off and put them back on you can stick it in a container. I have shipped dozens and dozens of planes via container all over the world. For helicopters we tend to use a ro/ro vessel (roll on / roll off) which has no container just big holds though sometimes they go in containers as well. For seaplanes there is a company called Dockwise that I know has done some of them (boat sinks underneath boats/planes and then pumps water out leaving them in a dry hold).

You just have to add up the cost of pulling the wings off and putting them back on in addition to the transportation cost. If that is less then the ferrying cost it would be a better option. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Same thing applies to repositioning yachts/boats (which is a huge business for both crewing to reposition by sailing and shipping by vessel).

 

[nosehair]

Oh!...and one more thing! Review the original movie "Jaws", they really do come that big.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

Oh!...and one more thing! Review the original movie "Jaws", they really do come that big.

The cold water will get you first.

I've seen a 152 with a 30 gallon tank in the baggage area.
That would likely exceed the baggage limit if filled completely.

CE

 

[svcta]

I'll be the first: It's just not worth the risk. The North Atlantic will kill you in a matter of minutes. Dry suit or not(just more ,minutes to contemplate your death), raft or not, you will die if you ditch in that water. I know it's been done, but so have many other crazy things. And I do my fair share of crazy things.

I have a close friend over there who plays with vintage airplanes and it's too easy to have them shipped than to risk life and limb flying a 152 over.

 

[Hugh Johnson]

I have a PA28 going to South Africa as soon as the tanking company gives me the call sayin it's ready... I don't deal in containerizing airplanes to big a hassle to many things to deal with! And for ferrying aircraft to many people undercut and whore them selves out mostly on domestic flights!


Oh!! I have dropped a few planes off to places that crate them up and ship them...

Southern Cross?

 

[NW_Pilot]

Southern Cross?

No, an outfit in Bellingham, WA I have a client from India that been buying 152's 1983 to 1985 they are looking for more if you know of any? let me know they are quick closers and I bring the cash at airplane pick up!!!


Also When Shipping Expect something Below:

Buying or Leasing a Container
Container Delivery Charges
Hangar Rental
Disassembly "Mechanics Fees"
Packing
Cartage
Export Entry (Customs)
Origin Charges (USA) e.g. ports terminal handling, forklift, wharfage
Insurance (Maritime)
Freight
CABAF
Documents - Carrier Bill of Lading
Documents - House Bill of Lading
Maritime Security
Destination Charges e.g. terminal handling charges, forklift, wharfage
Delivery Order
Customs Clearance
MAF/Quartantine/AQIS
Cartage
Unpack
Reassembly (If changing reg not a real problem)
Container Return To Port If Not Purchased


You Can Pack 3 Complete 152's In a Container (I have seen it done) tight fit takes some shoe horning and special crating to tie all three together for a snug fit.

 

[414Flyer]

No, an outfit in Bellingham, WA I have a client from India that been buying 152's 1983 to 1985 they are looking for more if you know of any? let me know they are quick closers and I bring the cash at airplane pick up!!!


Also When Shipping Expect something Below:

Buying or Leasing a Container
Container Delivery Charges
Hangar Rental
Disassembly "Mechanics Fees"
Packing
Cartage
Export Entry (Customs)
Origin Charges (USA) e.g. ports terminal handling, forklift, wharfage
Insurance (Maritime)
Freight
CABAF
Documents - Carrier Bill of Lading
Documents - House Bill of Lading
Maritime Security
Destination Charges e.g. terminal handling charges, forklift, wharfage
Delivery Order
Customs Clearance
MAF/Quartantine/AQIS
Cartage
Unpack
Reassembly (If changing reg not a real problem)
Container Return To Port If Not Purchased


You Can Pack 3 Complete 152's In a Container (I have seen it done) tight fit takes some shoe horning and special crating to tie all three together for a snug fit.

Globe Aero in Lakeland FL tanks and ferries aircraft. When it comes to piston singles they only ferry new ones, but they might tank it up for you.

I hope the Indians you are dealing with, arent Agni Aviation in Bangalore.

Going across the northern route this time of year can be really sketchy and you can be waiting for weeks for weather to clear. Going SE with a good tailwind to Azores from St Johns would be better.

 

[NW_Pilot]

Globe Aero in Lakeland FL tanks and ferries aircraft. When it comes to piston singles they only ferry new ones, but they might tank it up for you.

I hope the Indians you are dealing with, arent Agni Aviation in Bangalore.

Going across the northern route this time of year can be really sketchy and you can be waiting for weeks for weather to clear. Going SE with a good tailwind to Azores from St Johns would be better.

No, Never herd of Agni Aviation and globe will not tank for anyone but their pilots Which is a PFT type of work!!! Yea, Pay us XXXX amount of money we will hire you and train you with below standard pay I think $125.00 a day hahahahahahaha!!!!! I or no self respecting pilot will work the north atlantic for $125.00 a day!!!!

 

[414Flyer]

I never had to pay Globe when I did some flights for them

 

[Rally]

I shipped my C-170 from Panama (central america) to Tampa, FL delivered at the hanger. I think it was like 2000-3000 grand. considering it would be a 30 hour flight. It would have been at least 1500-2000 for landing fees etc gas customs hotels. Its really a wash.

 

[navigator72]

I'd fly a C150 across the pond. I would be scared crazy but I'd do it.

 

[TrafficInSight]

Anyone ever heard of flying a 152 across the pond? There are tons over there, and they had to get there somehow.

Most were built there by Reims Aviation.

 

[Iceman07]

The cold water will get you first.

I've seen a 152 with a 30 gallon tank in the baggage area.
That would likely exceed the baggage limit if filled completely.

CE

Ya THINK???!!!!

 

[PeteCO]

Buy a book called Ocean Flying by Louise Sacchi

ETA: Oops, posted this before I saw you've done this before. Oh well, I'll leave the book listed anyway