Hawker 800 XP Type

[lazyace75]

No way I would do this. If you are going to be flying an XP then you want to do the training in an XP sim. After all if you are really paying for it yourself, you want the best training. Why would you spend 15 days learning an airplane that you are not going to fly. Yes it is the same type but there are differences and I would want more than some 4 hour class on them. Besides someone said that SIMCOM does not have a level D sim, that right there would steer me away from them.

I know when I went through initial at Simuflite we had XP and 800 guys in the class together. You can learn enough about the 800 that way and fly the XP sim.

Remember you get what you pay for too. That goes for everything in life. It is your choice but do you want a KIA or a Caddy?

I understand your point of view but why would you spend another $12K just so you can get a Level-D XP sim? The cockpit is basically the same layout. The only big difference are the engines (which doesn't mean really anything while flying a sim).

As far as a Level C or D, who gives a hoot?!?! Level C sim is a full-motion sim that allows you to do everything to pass a type check. Just because it doesn't have a wrap around visual shouldn't matter since your only there to perform emergency/abnormal procedures anyway. Who cares what it looks like "outside".

FSI is way overpriced for what you get, especially if you're having to pay for it yourself.

In the end, aren't we all ending up with the same thing on the certificate anyway???

 

[Dep676]

The training at Simcom is just as good if not better than the other two. (not taking away from them). The facilities are nice, and you get way more than you pay for. There is ZERO attrition with the instructors. ALL of the guys I know there have been there since the beginning. Just my two cents.

Well I used to fly with one of the instructors there, at least he said he was an instructor there, and I would not want him teaching me how to fly a 172.

 

[Dep676]

I understand your point of view but why would you spend another $12K just so you can get a Level-D XP sim? The cockpit is basically the same layout. The only big difference are the engines (which doesn't mean really anything while flying a sim).

As far as a Level C or D, who gives a hoot?!?! Level C sim is a full-motion sim that allows you to do everything to pass a type check. Just because it doesn't have a wrap around visual shouldn't matter since your only there to perform emergency/abnormal procedures anyway. Who cares what it looks like "outside".

FSI is way overpriced for what you get, especially if you're having to pay for it yourself.

In the end, aren't we all ending up with the same thing on the certificate anyway???

Well just read an above post that stated that someone went through SIMCOM and had a restriction on his ticket.

I am not saying go to FSI anyway. I know they are overpriced. I would go to Simuflite.

 

[EMU]

I have attended all three schools for the Hawker, I recomend SimuFlite! FSI is also very good but more expensive. FSI also expects you to be able to build the airplane for the type. CAE just wants you to be able to fly it. It has been several years since I have attended Simcom, but I would recomend going somewhere else.

I also agree with others about going to school for the model you will be flying, including avionics specific.

And why is it again your paying for your type??!!

 

[Canucit]

flight saftey is very expensive but they are very good at what they do and very personal
But in saying so I have only gone to the facility at ICT
so I can not speak for the other places or anybody else
in fact I just finished recurrent there tonight and the Sim was one of the new electric ones for the 850 and it flew very well (for a Sim)

 

[MissKittyKat]

Holy crap, you are worried about a Hawker rating! I will speak the truth. my fiancee is a contract pilot. The phone rings 3 or 4 times a day for a trip, he makes 14,000 dollars a month! Why on earth would you not say no this great opportunity!

 

[p3hawk]

800/xp

My self having been to all three schools, can vouch for SimCom. And yes I reach at SimCom, hey DEP676 who was pilot you flew with ? just curious. Do you still fly for FLOPS? Anyway, the sim at SimCom is one of the best flying level "C's" ive been in.and like the earlier post the avionics is the same Z-2000 Honeywell.

So their ya go, just my nickel's worth. And why are you paying for your type??

Cheer's P3

 

[Raskal]

No way I would do this. If you are going to be flying an XP then you want to do the training in an XP sim. After all if you are really paying for it yourself, you want the best training. Why would you spend 15 days learning an airplane that you are not going to fly. Yes it is the same type but there are differences and I would want more than some 4 hour class on them. Besides someone said that SIMCOM does not have a level D sim, that right there would steer me away from them.

I know when I went through initial at Simuflite we had XP and 800 guys in the class together. You can learn enough about the 800 that way and fly the XP sim.

Remember you get what you pay for too. That goes for everything in life. It is your choice but do you want a KIA or a Caddy?

If you desire a certain kind of instruction then the schools are definitely different, but from experience (both Simcom and Simuflite) I would not worry about the sim at all. We do our 700/800XP recurrent at Simcom, and while I would prefer Simuflite where we do our 1000 training, the cost differences are substantial.

We don't even fly the straight 800 and learning in that sim is no issue. As another poster said, the panel is exactly the same with the honeywell stuff, with only very minor differences in switch placement. Believe me, if our guys can get typed in an 800a sim and fly 700s and XPs out of the gate anybody can do an 800 to XP with even less issues. D, C...whatever, just sign the type.

 

[Dep676]

My self having been to all three schools, can vouch for SimCom. And yes I reach at SimCom, hey DEP676 who was pilot you flew with ? just curious. Do you still fly for FLOPS? Anyway, the sim at SimCom is one of the best flying level "C's" ive been in.and like the earlier post the avionics is the same Z-2000 Honeywell.

So their ya go, just my nickel's worth. And why are you paying for your type??

Cheer's P3

This was before Options and I am not at liberty to say ones name. I never really knew if they worked at SimCom or not. Can only go by what they said.

Also I am guessing you mean you teach at SimCom, not reach. So you would be the one that would know. I just have never heard good things about the place. So if I was paying for it myself, that is a whole different issue, I would not go where I did not know much about. I am still a firm believer you get what you pay for.

 

[Headwind]

I have been to all three and like them all. The big difference is the amount of money they charge. SimCom changed, for the better, when they merged with PanAm. Most of the people I hear put down SimCom have never been there. You can sometimes get a bad instructor at amy school.

 

[lazyace75]

SimCom

There are no restrictions placed on your license at SimCom. I went through then entire initial there myself a few years ago.

Maybe the restriction he mentioned was for a "SIC Privilages Only" type rating, which, depending upon you are dealing with, will also place on your license a "Circling Approaches - VMC Only" restriction.

Don't quite understand the logic behind this but that's a different topic.

 

[vikaero]

It also depends if you are going for the Proline 21 setup.... you have no choice but FSI either at ICT or ILG. All the new hawkers - 850, 750 and 900 are PL21 equipped and it is a whole new world compared to the Honeywell in the older XP's. Don't let someone convince you of "differences" because although the aircraft is basically the same and flies the same the avionics need ground up instruction so you know what is going on.

Been to both FSI and Simuflite.... preferred FSI less war stories more emphasis on training, my 2 cents.

 

[darling pretty]

Gang, please stop the "why are you paying for your type......" question.

I'm just doing a little research for a company to save a little $. Thats all, ok?

Anyway thanks for all of the input its been very helpful.

- DP

 

[StarHustler]

I do have to agree on the 'war stories' issue mentioned at Simuflite. I heard waaaayyyyyyy to many of those during my 'Initial' training last month. I can see it somewhat during a 'Recurrent' training as everyone should already know what the aircraft is about. However, during 'Initial' it should be all about the 'training' since you are brand new to the aircraft. During my Oral, the examiner did not care about any 'war stories', he only wanted correct and direct answeres to his questions.

 

[Canucit]

what miss kitty didn't say was that its over ten thousand dollars for recurrent and most insurance cos are only allowing one year between recurrent and not the two that the feds want
for two different a/c