What payrate will you fly the Q400 for? (colganites)

[suupah]

To sum up the previous posts, even though your skanky management got the Regions Air flying in WV, you were the low bidders and you are screwed...management will almost never live up to their word. Anywhere-they leave themselves outs. There was discussion of that at regex-"yeah, we're looking at the industry standard"-that's why thier CA's are getting $33/hr on the Saab (fully $12/hr below industry standard for the seniority the saab ran) with no raises...none, zero raises built into the program...

You're screwed...welcome to the club!

not to hijack my own thread but mesa underbid us. The communities didnt like MESA's (air midwest) service record and wanted Colgan. Nothing to brag about but we wern't the lowest bid.

 

[suupah]

That's exactly right. I made almost $75,000 my 4th year at PCL. How did I do that? By crediting over 1,200 hours for the year, blocking in the high 90's every single month with only about 12 days off average (not by choice, but by line value averages in the mid 90's and one or to Junior Assignments or Extensions each month).

When PCL opened up the street CA deal (twice), they had NO problem finding enough "qualified" applicants, even prior to 9/11.

If you don't have enough guys who will bid CA on it, they'll just hire off the street. Kaman is right; best thing you can do is get yourselves organized. Even if you don't vote in ALPA (who has the deepest pockets from which to fight so is probably the best bet but ANY representation would be better than none), you NEED to be represented, just to protect yourselves.

Good luck,,,

horrible practice of perenially understaffing. that is the type of thing that breaks marriages and families.

As for hiring street captains, not because of unqualified internal candidates, but because of substandard payrates, i can see that happening.

The rumor is that becaue the plane is brand new on property they would want guys with 121pic experience flying them for insurance. what regional would they be able to pull captains from to fly these things for 50 and hour?

As for the earlier comment from the xtr, sorry man. Continental is really showing that Cost is job one. The margins in this industry are so slim that they will do the very very least and keep the passengers paying.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

It was miserable, didn't even have enough time off to enjoy the extra cash (5 days on, 2 days off sucks).

Yes it does....

horrible practice of perenially understaffing. that is the type of thing that breaks marriages and families.

Yes it does... an managmeent doesn't care about your home life. Need time off to

Get married?
Close on a house?
Go to a funeral?

These are all life events that you are expected to do on your own time.... provided your are not junior manned or extened...

 

[Smarta$$]

We shouldn't accept any less than 28/hr FIRST YEAR FO, and 55/hr FIRST YEAR CAPT pay. Up the scales from there, by 3 or 4 dollars an hour.....
Any less and we look like a bunch of retards.
DO NOT ACCEPT ********************TY PAY JUST BECAUSE A PLANE IS COOL. That's one of the reasons this industry is going down the tubes.....st00pid kids wanna fly fer nothing.

You don't get to accept or decline anything.. You have to take what they give you.

 

[belchfire]

not to hijack my own thread but mesa underbid us. The communities didnt like MESA's (air midwest) service record and wanted Colgan. Nothing to brag about but we wern't the lowest bid.

Yeah, that makes sense since they bid it with 1900's. I sit corrected. Regex used to be able to do that to because of their high completion factors...times change, don't they?

 

[another cfii]

Yes it does... an managmeent doesn't care about your home life. Need time off to

Get married?
Close on a house?
Go to a funeral?

These are all life events that you are expected to do on your own time.... provided your are not junior manned or extened...

You think mgmt will care if you divroce because you haven't seen your first born in 2 weeks because you keep getting extended and JM? No, they'll tell you this:

"Well, please don't hestitate to go ahead and use our industry leading medical plan and see a shrink and come back all healthy, 'right? BTW, if you need to take time off, we'll have to dock your pay from guarantee though..."

This goes very well also with our industry leading 401k, pay scale and commitment to safety, commitment to communication. Basically, we're the best, but we get paid just a tad bit below average.

 

[Flyer1015]

there are many captains that have been contacted about what rates they would fly them for. Most would not leave their current position for any less than a certain rate. I believe that if their rate isn't hight enough they will be hard pressed to find any captains to take the transition.

You think PT the Clown cares about that? Like PT would ever pay those Captains what the Captains think is fair. Just look at the ongoing negotiation with Pinnacle pilots and PT (+ management), and you will see PT won't give a fark about employees.

 

[Quack]

You will do what you are told to do. There will be no sort of negotiation, and will be told to fly them for xxx rates or get the hell out the kitchen. Plain and simple...no contract = no pay.

 

[suupah]

we'll see. an we'll find out shortly i am sure. then we can say what ever we want. i have a feeling, and i may be wrong that we will get an acceptable (by no means industry leading) rate proposed to us.

 

[rhino3040]

Money! Money! Money! The Q! The Q! Show me the money!

 

[Lear70]

Lear70,
MEM as I type. Day 4 of ground. How you doin?

SWEET! Congrats on the upgrade.

I just came through MEM (had to 2-leg it home from my trip). Might be through on the 21st, offered to buy for the upgrading class as well as honor a bet I lost with PCL.

I'll make sure they give you guys a shout and let you know when and where.

/hijack

 

[Snaab]

To turn the question: Do you think a lot of the super senior people (in BHB, ORF, PVD, MHT, CHO, CRW, etc.) jump to the Q400, or do you think it'll be more 50/50 because they don't want to uproot life as is?? I'm kinda curious...

Snaab

 

[I ROCK]

I will take the Beech if they leave it. Nice airplane.

 

[suupah]

To turn the question: Do you think a lot of the super senior people (in BHB, ORF, PVD, MHT, CHO, CRW, etc.) jump to the Q400, or do you think it'll be more 50/50 because they don't want to uproot life as is?? I'm kinda curious...

Snaab

that is where the scale comes in. there aren't alot of people looking forward to flying out of newark. But i think if the money was right they will be able to staff em.

 

[Lear70]

OK... everyone go cool off for a while with this:

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=93644

OK, maybe "cool off" isn't the right phrase.

 

[funnyman12]

Just did a bunch of math and figured out the average pay scale of the 70 seat turboprops(ATR-72, Q400) and the 50 seat jet (CRJ-200, EMB145)....they are as follows...

these represent ASA, AmEagle, Horizon, Island Air, Trans-State avg's
70 seat tp - 1st yr cap - $56.60 1st yr fo - $24
5th yr cap - $64.40 2nd yr fo- $32
these represent every known EMB145/CRJ-200 operator
50 seat jet - 1st yr cap - $56.17 1st yr fo - $22
5th yr cap - $62.92 2nd yr fo - $30.50

Colgan's current Saab 340 pay is right at average (regions air hurt us) and the Beech is higher than average compared to other airlines with the same equip

 

[unwashed]

QX is $65 for 1st yr Capt in the 400 and $29 for 1st yr FO in any a/c.
5th yr is 74 and 42.

 

[funnyman12]

well i took the industry averages...and per our conf call we should be getting an idea of the payrates by the end of the month

 

[ColganCapt]

Like I said before - I make a $1.26/seat/hour in the Saab - I'd settle for a $1.25/seat/hour in the Q400 to commute to EWR. Ya'll have fun!

 

[suupah]

Just did a bunch of math and figured out the average pay scale of the 70 seat turboprops(ATR-72, Q400) and the 50 seat jet (CRJ-200, EMB145)....they are as follows...

these represent ASA*(55 atr72), AmEagle(58 atr72), Horizon(65 Q400), Island Air(59 Q400), Trans-State(doesn't fly tprops) avg's
70 seat tp - 1st yr cap - $56.60 (59.25) ( 1st yr fo - $24
5th yr cap - $64.40 2nd yr fo- $32
these represent every known EMB145/CRJ-200 operator
50 seat jet - 1st yr cap - $56.17 1st yr fo - $22
5th yr cap - $62.92 2nd yr fo - $30.50

Colgan's current Saab 340 pay is right at average (regions air hurt us) and the Beech is higher than average compared to other airlines with the same equip

*in bold are first year captain rates a respective airline.

 

[mosyslack]

Let me just start first by saying that we do not have Q400's! However, our management at Comair has a hard o... er, intense desire, for that plane. They have been talking about them for over a year now, and they included rates for that plane in the imposed work rules that are going to go into effect tonight at midnight. This is not 100% set as of yet, but I have them in print in front of me...

CA 1st yr: 48.72 5yr: 55.82 10 yr: 64.71 18 yr (max): 78.11
FO 1st yr(all equip): 21.00 2nd yr: 31.50 5 yr: 36.60 9 yr (max): 38.25

now, with those gems posted, we can only train so many people at once so some of you may have to wait to get on here.

Like I said...this is not 100% official, but I have the printed "contract" in front of me as we speak. We'll see what the real terma are today or tomorrow at some point. If, and I mean IF they are any different, I will post them.

 

[Lear70]

Let me just start first by saying that we do not have Q400's! However, our management at Comair has a hard o... er, intense desire, for that plane. They have been talking about them for over a year now, and they included rates for that plane in the imposed work rules that are going to go into effect tonight at midnight. This is not 100% set as of yet, but I have them in print in front of me...

CA 1st yr: 48.72 5yr: 55.82 10 yr: 64.71 18 yr (max): 78.11
FO 1st yr(all equip): 21.00 2nd yr: 31.50 5 yr: 36.60 9 yr (max): 38.25

now, with those gems posted, we can only train so many people at once so some of you may have to wait to get on here.

Like I said...this is not 100% official, but I have the printed "contract" in front of me as we speak. We'll see what the real terma are today or tomorrow at some point. If, and I mean IF they are any different, I will post them.

If those rates are for real, you guys should be RACING for the organization ballots.

What a joke. All-new industry low for pay.

 

[mosyslack]

These are the rates that the company is going to impose on us. As I understand it, our MEC will not put rates on the table for a plane that the company does not even possess. I have no idea where they would stand on those rates. I would assume average plus something.

 

[fly4surf]

At Island Air, being ALPA, we got no where near Horizon(Teamsters) rates for the -400. And ALPA was happy about the rates we did get. Island air was bidding for this flying also and lost to you guys for a reason, and our -400 planes are gone.
Good luck getting a decent scale.
And prepare for them to show up maxed out at 78 seats. Ours did after rates were negoatiated for a 74 seater.