ASA Employees JS!

[Old Crow]

People, Please... You complain about communication problems within the company, they do something to educate and you still complain. Take this as an opportunity to do your job professionally and pass on the shortcomings and successes to those who have the ability to make a difference.
I support any effort to educate our leaders about the problems we face and the real reason they are here. To Fly Airplanes. As you all know, managers tend to lose reality when the numbers are the only thing that matters.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Is it really the flight crews' job to educate the managers on why we need to have working headsets or why CLR accuracy is critical, or bags shouldn't be added with impunity?

 

[flyinhigh6165]

...um did you say the Rampers can sit up in the J/S....you got to be F*ucking kidding....guess those FFDO's might come in handy with some of these ghetto @$$ people. However, I do know that we do have a few rampers that are good hard working peeps...need more of them.

 

[AMANSWORLD]

Do not understand how FAR's can be changed to accommdate ASA ignorance. I thought only 121 approved-CASS pilots are allowed to occupy the seat. NO ONE that is not on CASS will ever touch my jumpseat. Period. As a matter of fact I believe a phone call to my state rep or senator is in line as well as the TSA. Huge security issue here folks.

 

[AMANSWORLD]

Does anyone else see this as a security issue as well as a safety issue?

 

[scott hall]

First, I would like to thank Joemerchant for his continuing support in showing how unreasonable ALPA's demands are. He is one of the best examples of the vision I have seen at this time. Joe, are you still coming over to dinner this weekend?

The Jumpseat program you are talking about is our new non-union company employee union pilot unreasonableness awareness program. In this program we program these employees such as rampers, gate agents, ect. with our view of the pilot contract negotiations so that they can attempt to influence the pilot group about how unreasonable they are being while on the jumpseat. We reviewed the possible consequences of having pilots get upset at these employees for sharing our vision and decided that it was not a safety factor. It is our hope that in doing this we can foster a more concessionary attitude from ALPA and achieve a much lower than the industry standard contract that allows me, I mean us to achieve our rediculously high pay bonus, I mean achieve a competitive cost structure, if we get the pilots to settle for our contract goals. Thanks to people like Joemerchant who believe in the vision. We are one step closer to my bonus, I mean our goals.

Thanks

 

[TOOL CRIB]

Do not understand how FAR's can be changed to accommdate ASA ignorance. I thought only 121 approved-CASS pilots are allowed to occupy the seat. NO ONE that is not on CASS will ever touch my jumpseat. Period. As a matter of fact I believe a phone call to my state rep or senator is in line as well as the TSA. Huge security issue here folks.

Then I suppose our dispatchers looking for their yearly flight deck observation time will be writing you up! Mgmt can occupy the jumpseat as long as they have approval from Tutt. About the only thing you can trust mgmt with is that they wont bend the rules on security. I would expect another letter soon with clarification as to who and how these managers can occupy out jumpseat.

 

[crjskipper]

relax mansworld - scott is the do and can auhorize anyone to ride the j/s. every letter he writes goes to the faa. every employee at asa has passed a background check and fbi check.

delta and asa own the j/s, not us. cass is an option avaiable when the seat is not being used. riddle interns have been riding the j/s for years. i think it/s a good idea.

 

[ASARJMan]

Is it really the flight crews' job to educate the managers on why we need to have working headsets or why CLR accuracy is critical, or bags shouldn't be added with impunity?

Nope. Just let 'em ride and enjoy the view. No contract no participation here.

STRIKE ASA!

 

[ASARJMan]

delta and asa own the j/s, not us.

PIC has the final say. And our FOs will have to use creative weight/CG calculations to keep 'em off! Nah, just kidding there. That would just get us in hot water. Hmm, what else...

STRIKE ASA!

 

[BobbyBiplane]

Does anyone else see this as a security issue as well as a safety issue?

No...

 

[Airboss]

I was talking to Chuck (ramp supervisor) the other day..he is one of the people who get to ride up front. Personally, I think its a good idea for everyone to see what eachother does as long as it does not affect our operation (ie delay flight, sterile cockpit rule, enough O2 etc).
As stated above anyone can ride the jumpeseat with proper authorization. (heard of a ramper that wants to be a pilot that got one of those golden tickets (letters) and he will just jumpseat around our system for fun.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

I'm not thrilled with the idea. We have enough going on already.

 

[601Pilot]

OK, I looked at the top 200 rate on the company proposal, did you? It is $89 at year 18, not $82 as you are implying. Did you look at the 700 comparision? Did you look at the FO comparison? Are you familiar with the term "cherry picking"? Did you notice that second year FOs are making more under our current contract than XJT, CHQ, and Eagle FOs?

You do realize the company rates are DOS + 24 months?!? No changes for 24 months! You have got to be kidding.

Screw the RLA and I'm ready to walk!

 

[JoeMerchant]

You do realize the company rates are DOS + 24 months?!? No changes for 24 months! You have got to be kidding.

You do realize that isn't what ALPA is saying. Here it is from ALPA's website:

http://asanegotiations.alpa.org/Comp_Pay_02-05-07.html

It clearly says DOS under the company proposal. Where are you getting your information, or misinformation, as the case may be......

 

[anon]

The first time one of them opens his/her mouth in a non-operational way during a critical phase of flight, a RIF goes to the company, a phone call to the FAA, a call to the FAA whistleblower hotline - and the entire program goes down in flames.

 

[Sinca3]

You do realize that isn't what ALPA is saying. Here it is from ALPA's website:

http://asanegotiations.alpa.org/Comp_Pay_02-05-07.html

It clearly says DOS under the company proposal. Where are you getting your information, or misinformation, as the case may be......

It also clearly says on the company site that I would only see and increase of 80 cents from one year to the next at year 7 rates. That´s a COLA adjustment of less than 1.25% a year. What was inflation rates over the last 4 years of negotiations and most likely the inflation rate for the duration of the contract?
The company rates are a Joke! What I see happening is a respectable 70 rate and a joke of a 50 rate. They then transfer all 70 and larger equipment to SKY and give us all the 50´s we can handle (tranfers from SKY). This is why I do agree that scope is of utmost importance, but not the ONLY thing that is needed here.

 

[JoeMerchant]

It also clearly says on the company site that I would only see and increase of 80 cents from one year to the next at year 7 rates. That´s a COLA adjustment of less than 1.25% a year. What was inflation rates over the last 4 years of negotiations and most likely the inflation rate for the duration of the contract?
The company rates are a Joke! What I see happening is a respectable 70 rate and a joke of a 50 rate. They then transfer all 70 and larger equipment to SKY and give us all the 50´s we can handle (tranfers from SKY). This is why I do agree that scope is of utmost importance, but not the ONLY thing that is needed here.

1. That's not what ALPA's information says. Again here it is:
http://asanegotiations.alpa.org/ASA Pay Comparison TEZ2.mht
Can you provide a link to your information?

2. Unfortunately, inflation isn't how ALPA negotiates payrates. ALPA uses pattern bargaining - sometimes the pattern is favorable, and sometimes it isn't. What would DAL, NWA, and UAL pay look like if you adjusted their 1980's rates for inflation? What would our 70 rates look like if they are adjusted for inflation?

 

[socony_air]

This is just one more example of a favor that I am no longer willing to do for ASA. It's not my job to train, enlighten, or baby sit another employee group at this airline.

A 121 cockpit is no place for a field trip - especially if something were to go wrong. I've seen the blood drain from the face of a seasoned mechanic, panicked at the reality of a single engine landing in an RJ. It was a distraction then & I learned from that.

I don't know how these persons will react & I'm not willing to take on the additional responibilty of taking down a shaky flyer to CAT II minimums....
Not For ASA - Not Anymore.

 

[crjskipper]

would you morons get out of the high-chairs. they are just riding, they will probably just sit there and look terrified. there's no safety risk as long as they are briefed right and follow the rules. how many faa or oal j/s riders have talked before during sterile times - did you write them up?

this is a great opportunity in my opinion for them to see what we do. many other airlines do this. some of you guys embarrass the hell out of me...