ASA cancellations...

[rausda27]

Was I the only one they called at 4:15 AM for my 7:15 AM duty in to let me know I had the day off?

Just curious if there were alot of cancellations today?

 

[VeeOne]

Delta cancelled a boat load of flight last night, fearing they would get stuck on the ground with an impending ice storm. The bulk of their aircraft were kept at outstations away from this mess. Your airplane never made it back last night for Atlanta. I'm sure a bunch of people got the same phone call you did.

 

[~~~^~~~]

It was impressive and nice that crew scheduling called crews in the outstations. In the past they would have you duty in and sit at the airport for 16 hours....

 

[rausda27]

I was surprised that they cancelled my flight , attempted to notify me before I left home and left me with an clear schedule for the rest of the day. It was a festivus miracle!

 

[~~~^~~~]

It was a festivus miracle!

That's hilarious. Must have been a positive result of the airing of grievances around the Festivus Pole.

 

[asayankee]

Was I the only one they called at 4:15 AM for my 7:15 AM duty in to let me know I had the day off?

Just curious if there were alot of cancellations today?

I got called at 5:15....3 hrs before my duty in to tell me my first round tripo and subsequent 3hr airport sit were cancelled. Dont have to duty in till 4 now.

Isn't that an LOA 27 thing though. I thought they could only call you within an hour of your duty time???

 

[Long Time Gone]

You need to be notified if the delay is at least 2 hours after original departure time . Scheduling must know about the delay at least 3 hours prior to departure time in domicile, or 2 hours prior to departure time at an ourstation.

 

[Airboss]

The Company shall notify a pilot in a timely manner of operational changes, which result in a delay of two (2) hours or more to a pilot's first departure of any duty period. Notwithstanding the above language, when such an operational change is known to the Company less than two (2) hours prior to departure for a pilot who is away from his domicile, or less than three (3) hours prior to departure for a pilot who is in his domicile, then such notification is not necessary.

 

[atlcrashpad]

I got called at 5:15....3 hrs before my duty in to tell me my first round tripo and subsequent 3hr airport sit were cancelled. Dont have to duty in till 4 now.

Isn't that an LOA 27 thing though. I thought they could only call you within an hour of your duty time???

If you is at REST then they cannot call. You is OFF then you is fair game. Sorry LOA 27 don't apply in yo case.

 

[sweptback]

I got called at 5:15....3 hrs before my duty in to tell me my first round tripo and subsequent 3hr airport sit were cancelled. Dont have to duty in till 4 now.

Isn't that an LOA 27 thing though. I thought they could only call you within an hour of your duty time???

I gotta take scheduling's side on this one. They called you when they knew, let you know, and you get to go back to sleep. I don't see how you could be complaining about this one.

 

[ohplease!]

I got called at 5:15....3 hrs before my duty in to tell me my first round tripo and subsequent 3hr airport sit were cancelled. Dont have to duty in till 4 now.

Isn't that an LOA 27 thing though. I thought they could only call you within an hour of your duty time???

this is the kind of typical BS that the union idiots do.....get a "gift" from the company and then try to find a way to grieve it and get something you don't deserve.

In years past, scheduling would often "work with" you on certain situations. After a few times of this same idiot mentality coming back to cause scheduling trouble, they simply stopped trying to help out when they could.

Nice attitude Jackass! Too bad you're not up front enough to show your true identity so that you may be allowed to get up, shower, dress and report only to sit on your dumb a$$,,,

 

[jstyle13]

this is the kind of typical BS that the union idiots do.....get a "gift" from the company and then try to find a way to grieve it and get something you don't deserve.

yea...this awesome "gift" more than makes up for all the crap we've been going through lately from the company and scheduling. Let us not also forget the "gift" of pay and a half for open time pickups that has come from the goodness of thier hearts' as well.....

 

[601Pilot]

this is the kind of typical BS that the union idiots do.....get a "gift" from the company and then try to find a way to grieve it and get something you don't deserve.

In years past, scheduling would often "work with" you on certain situations. After a few times of this same idiot mentality coming back to cause scheduling trouble, they simply stopped trying to help out when they could.

Nice attitude Jackass! Too bad you're not up front enough to show your true identity so that you may be allowed to get up, shower, dress and report only to sit on your dumb a$$,,,

I don't exactly see this as a "gift" from the company, as they will probably screw you on the back-side of your trip today and have you fly another round trip. Also, if you flew yesterday and they contacted me during my rest, then I'm resetting the clock and waiting another 8 hours before my first trip. It is time to put the screws to the company and stop being nice people!

Don't worry about your trip being covered, it looks like Oh Please will do it for you if the company asks nicely!

 

[shamrock]

In years past, scheduling would often "work with" you on certain situations. After a few times of this same idiot mentality coming back to cause scheduling trouble, they simply stopped trying to help out when they could.

Swap that around and you have just as valid an argument. I have to wonder how many times a pilot has done them a favor and gotten crapped on because of it or has had that favor forgotten. I realize it's a "chicken or the egg" thing, but Scheduling is hardly blameless for the relationship they have with the pilot group.

That being said, I don't see a problem with getting a heads up on a cancellation or delay.

 

[John Pennekamp]

My all y'all have the Stockholm Syndrome. ASA complies with our contract and y'all call it a gift?

It was no gift and no Festivus Miracle. It was the union nailing their asses the last time we had an ice storm (Jan 05) because they never called anyone and made everyone duty in and sit all day. They asked the union for relief and BA said no. So they did what they wanted to anyhow. They ended up having to give half the pilots days off for that, most of them chose Christmas.

 

[Medeco]

My all y'all have the Stockholm Syndrome. ASA complies with our contract and y'all call it a gift?

It was no gift and no Festivus Miracle. It was the union nailing their asses the last time we had an ice storm (Jan 05) because they never called anyone and made everyone duty in and sit all day. They asked the union for relief and BA said no. So they did what they wanted to anyhow. They ended up having to give half the pilots days off for that, most of them chose Christmas.

Uhh, you just provided factual information, that simply cant be allowed.

Medeco

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

this is the kind of typical BS that the union idiots do.....get a "gift" from the company and then try to find a way to grieve it and get something you don't deserve.

In years past, scheduling would often "work with" you on certain situations. After a few times of this same idiot mentality coming back to cause scheduling trouble, they simply stopped trying to help out when they could.

Nice attitude Jackass! Too bad you're not up front enough to show your true identity so that you may be allowed to get up, shower, dress and report only to sit on your dumb a$$,,,

ohplease, I know it's been said before but you are a Class 1 pr!ck. I actually agree with you that he has no should have no gripe in this one, but for you to say the scheduling is handing out gifts for doing their job is ridiculous. The reason ASA is such a poor company to work for is because no one is held accountable for not doing the job they should be (except flight crew and mechanics). Until that changes, ASA folks will continue to do the minimum they can get by with without getting fired (which ain't much, just look at most of the rampers).

 

[Medeco]

Again, dont confuse these people with facts and logic, it is simply not allowed in this or any discussion on FI.

The "gift" statement is classic.

ASA has done one thing good, and that is to violate the terms of our current contract so many times in the past, that people like Ohplease begin to believe that it is a "gift" when they do what they are obligated to do.

Oh please, I'm very careful to look at both sides of any issue with our management in an attempt to not fall prey to the "out to get us" attitude/syndrome, but this one seems pretty simple.

ASA management will continue to NOT get the benefit of the doubt, from the majority of this pilot group until they make it common practice of handing out these so called "gifts".

Medeco

 

[Speedtape]

this is the kind of typical BS that the union idiots do.....get a "gift" from the company and then try to find a way to grieve it and get something you don't deserve.

In years past, scheduling would often "work with" you on certain situations. After a few times of this same idiot mentality coming back to cause scheduling trouble, they simply stopped trying to help out when they could.

Nice attitude Jackass! Too bad you're not up front enough to show your true identity so that you may be allowed to get up, shower, dress and report only to sit on your dumb a$$,,,

OH PLEASE, the only company that gets a Union, is one that deserves a Union! You may have run across one or more schedulers who "worked with" YOU, as I have too. They were usually new. You probably have blown your smoke up their arse too, and maybe even bought them a pizza.

But apparently, you have not run across some of the more notorious ones in the long history who must have checked the box on their application, "Do you like to see small animals suffer, ie. pilots?" There have been plenty more of those than the few you seem to try and project as the common experience!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Y'all DO know who ohplease is don't you? Remember when he said on the ALPA board "I'm ohplease and I don't care what anybody thinks".

I think 'ol AG needs to be told in person what an f'ing moron he is and an embarassment to all of us.

 

[ohplease!]

Y'all DO know who ohplease is don't you? Remember when he said on the ALPA board "I'm ohplease and I don't care what anybody thinks".

I think 'ol AG needs to be told in person what an f'ing moron he is and an embarassment to all of us.

why don't you start the show?

 

[goahead]

Yea I flew 8.15 yesterday and another 6.30 today. but hey I'm one of those RES guys. Glad someone enjoyed it.

 

[ohplease!]

Again, dont confuse these people with facts and logic, it is simply not allowed in this or any discussion on FI.

The "gift" statement is classic.

ASA has done one thing good, and that is to violate the terms of our current contract so many times in the past, that people like Ohplease begin to believe that it is a "gift" when they do what they are obligated to do.

Oh please, I'm very careful to look at both sides of any issue with our management in an attempt to not fall prey to the "out to get us" attitude/syndrome, but this one seems pretty simple.

ASA management will continue to NOT get the benefit of the doubt, from the majority of this pilot group until they make it common practice of handing out these so called "gifts".

Medeco

I say "gift" because they could have just as easily not called and let all those crews sit at the airports for hours and hours. Sure, you could have grieved it and maybe won a day off. I for one would rather not have the free day off than to have sat around some podunk airport with no comfortable place to sit and nothing to do for 4+ hours or even more in some cases.

Place me on the list to be called so I can rest at the hotel in relative comfort.

 

[Speedtape]

I say "gift" because they could have just as easily not called and let all those crews sit at the airports for hours and hours. Sure, you could have grieved it and maybe won a day off. I for one would rather not have the free day off than to have sat around some podunk airport with no comfortable place to sit and nothing to do for 4+ hours or even more in some cases.

Place me on the list to be called so I can rest at the hotel in relative comfort.

I'll be the first in line, tough man, YOU ARE A MORON!

Your friendly call from scheduling was a benefit you got for an LOA that was negotiated by YOUR Alpa leadership--not the kindness of the scheduling department!

FYI and for the record, if not for the LOA, you would have been sitting at the airport for hours probably trying to convince yourself and others "Oh, What a Friend We Have in Scheduling!"

Apply for Management! Maybe then, they will pay you to Carry their Water!

 

[ohplease!]

I'll be the first in line, tough man, YOU ARE A MORON!

Your friendly call from scheduling was a benefit you got for an LOA that was negotiated by YOUR Alpa leadership--not the kindness of the scheduling department!

FYI and for the record, if not for the LOA, you would have been sitting at the airport for hours probably trying to convince yourself and others "Oh, What a Friend We Have in Scheduling!"

Apply for Management! Maybe then, they will pay you to Carry their Water!

I think his offer was to be in person and the "friendly call" was long before the LOA 27 thingy.

 

[ASADriver]

The company does the right thing and the whiners still find something to complain about. This was an improvement over how things used to be done. There is no pleasing the cry babies.

 

[ASARJMan]

The company does the right thing and the whiners still find something to complain about. This was an improvement over how things used to be done. There is no pleasing the cry babies.

Back in your hole you management mole!

STRIKE ASA NOW!

 

[atrdriver]

this is the kind of typical BS that the union idiots do.....get a "gift" from the company and then try to find a way to grieve it and get something you don't deserve.

Why do you think that LOA 27 came about in the first place? Because scheduling was NOT doing their jobs and letting us know when a flight cancelled, thus making uscome to the airport and sit for 5 or 6 hours. If you really think that scheduling actually doing their jobs is a "gift" from the company then you have gone completely off the deep end. Yes, I think that it's a little overboard to try to find a way to grieve them calling to inform you of a cancelation, but there is a process outlined in the contract and a couple of side letters for that contact, and they need to follow that as well. That is part of THEIR JOB. If you don't do your job, you are going to get nailed for it. How about holding the other departments in the company to the same standard.

 

[scott hall]

The company does the right thing and the whiners still find something to complain about. This was an improvement over how things used to be done. There is no pleasing the cry babies.

Thanks, ASADriver. Right on the money as usual.

We are just trying to do the right thing. I hope the pilots will accept this "olive branch" and return the favor by accepting our contract proposals so we can move ahead with the business of running the company. We will grow which means upgrades which means pay raises!

 

[ohplease!]

Why do you think that LOA 27 came about in the first place? Because scheduling was NOT doing their jobs and letting us know when a flight cancelled, thus making uscome to the airport and sit for 5 or 6 hours. If you really think that scheduling actually doing their jobs is a "gift" from the company then you have gone completely off the deep end. Yes, I think that it's a little overboard to try to find a way to grieve them calling to inform you of a cancelation, but there is a process outlined in the contract and a couple of side letters for that contact, and they need to follow that as well. That is part of THEIR JOB. If you don't do your job, you are going to get nailed for it. How about holding the other departments in the company to the same standard.

perhaps you should read post #23...I think you'll find that you and I actually AGREE here......