ATP Written

[JDREsquire1224]

Completed my ATP Written before getting hired by a regional, I now understand that it does not expire within 2 years. Is that the case? Do I have to do anything else other than remain employed? What if I consider doing my getting my ATP without upgrading at the regional, is my test score still valid if more than 2 years old? Thanks in advance for any advice/help..

 

[Ainokea]

As long as you are employed by a 121 carrier your written has no expiration date...can anyone 2nd this?

 

[socony_air]

I second that. Finished mine prior to my hire at ASA & it was still valid at the end of my 5 year upgrade. Now keeping up with my score sheet all that time - that was the hard part.

 

[STREAKS]

As long as you are employed by a 121 carrier your written has no expiration date...can anyone 2nd this?

Thats what I heard...

 

[JDREsquire1224]

Thanks

 

[Grassstrippilot]

However, if you get hired at 121 carrier, go beyond the two year time frame, and then get hired at another 121 carrier, it becomes no good. The extension is good only at the 121 carrier under whom it expired. Anyway, that is how I understand it. I heard of quite a few Indy guys that got burned by this and had to go take it again.

If you've got a decent chance of upgrading at where ever you get hired, don't waste your money going and getting it.

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

However, if you get hired at 121 carrier, go beyond the two year time frame, and then get hired at another 121 carrier, it becomes no good. The extension is good only at the 121 carrier under whom it expired. Anyway, that is how I understand it. I heard of quite a few Indy guys that got burned by this and had to go take it again.

If you've got a decent chance of upgrading at where ever you get hired, don't waste your money going and getting it.

I do not believe this is entirely true. If you read the reg carefully, even an expired written is still good if you have completed the approved captain upgrade class at a 121 carrier. If somebody could please post the FAR excerpt, that would be great. Can't do it from this computer and won't be home for a few days. And yes, I did discuss this with a fed about two weeks ago...

The bear

Thanks orphic, Just found this in the FAR forum:

61.39 Prerequisites for practical tests.

(b) Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraphs (a)(1) and (2) of this section, an applicant for an airline transport pilot certificate or an additional rating to an airline transport certificate may take the practical test for that certificate or rating with an expired knowledge test report, provided that the applicant:
(1) Is employed as a flight crewmember by a certificate holder under part 121, 125, or 135 of this chapter at the time of the practical test and has satisfactorily accomplished that operator's approved....

 

[OrphicSeth]

Go read this very same thread topic under the FAR forum.

 

[A-V-8]

In addition to the above: If it is past two years your ride must also be done under part 121 or whatever regulation is keeping your test valid.

In other words; you have to upgrade; you can't just go take the ride on an exp. test.

 

[bailout]

In addition to the above: If it is past two years your ride must also be done under part 121 or whatever regulation is keeping your test valid.

In other words; you have to upgrade; you can't just go take the ride on an exp. test.

Not true.. Even though the regs seem to say this, it is a gray area, if you are employed at a 121 carrier, even though your test expired, you can still take the practical under part 91 and it is still valid.

 

[tommyd]

i just recieved my atp written last weekend and i currently work for a 135 operator. I plan to get hired with a regional in a couple months- so would it not be valid at the regional since its not the original operator that i was working for at the time i recieved it? Someone please clarify.

 

[A-V-8]

Not true.. Even though the regs seem to say this, it is a gray area, if you are employed at a 121 carrier, even though your test expired, you can still take the practical under part 91 and it is still valid.

I have a friend who was turned down by an examiner in DFW. The examiner may have been wrong to do so. He took the test again the same day and flew the ride the next day.

 

[A-V-8]

i just recieved my atp written last weekend and i currently work for a 135 operator. I plan to get hired with a regional in a couple months- so would it not be valid at the regional since its not the original operator that i was working for at the time i recieved it? Someone please clarify.

Your test is valid for two years. If you still work there in two years your test is valid there. If you don't work there after the two years you may or may not have to retake the test.

 

[Grassstrippilot]

I do not believe this is entirely true. If you read the reg carefully, even an expired written is still good if you have completed the approved captain upgrade class at a 121 carrier. If somebody could please post the FAR excerpt, that would be great. Can't do it from this computer and won't be home for a few days. And yes, I did discuss this with a fed about two weeks ago...

The bear

Thanks orphic, Just found this in the FAR forum:

61.39 Prerequisites for practical tests.

(b) Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraphs (a)(1) and (2) of this section, an applicant for an airline transport pilot certificate or an additional rating to an airline transport certificate may take the practical test for that certificate or rating with an expired knowledge test report, provided that the applicant:
(1) Is employed as a flight crewmember by a certificate holder under part 121, 125, or 135 of this chapter at the time of the practical test and has satisfactorily accomplished that operator's approved....

I'm by no means a reg guru, so I ask this out of pure curiousity and sincerely want to know the truth.

So, I take my written right after I got hired at XYZ airlines. I work there for 4 years as a first officer. I get furloughed and don't fly for 5 years. I then get hired by ABC airlines and can upgrade 6 months later. If I understand your answer correctly, because I'm once again employed for a 121 carrier, no problem...I could take the pracitcal test? Even though it had been 9 years since I took the written? I guess the pessimist in me says the feds would have an issue with this.

 

[bailout]

I have a friend who was turned down by an examiner in DFW. The examiner may have been wrong to do so. He took the test again the same day and flew the ride the next day.

yes, i can easily see that, but i just did it and few months back and it worked for me. I called the FAA and went throught the chain of command and finally got a specialist who approved it. The qualifier was that I was getting it by way of part 91. If you are trying for 121, then you have to go through the PICT class. Very gray area indeed, and I actually think i just got lucky on this one.