Republic 145 FO or Jblu?

[CRJ900Pilot]

Fixed It!!!

just to prove a point.....I went into wikipedia and added JetBlue to the majors list. Now it's in the Wikipedia....are you happy?

Major carrier

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Major carrier is a designation given by the United States Department of Transportation to U.S.-based airlines that post more than $1 billion in revenue during a fiscal year.
Current major carriers include:

• American Airlines
• American Eagle Airlines
• Continental Airlines
• Delta Air Lines
• DHL
• FedEx
• Frontier Airlines
• JetBlue Airways
• Northwest Airlines
• Southwest Airlines
• United Airlines
• United Parcel Service
• US Airways

The term "major carrier" is also used by some to refer only to non-low-fare carriers (thus excluding Southwest and US Airways).
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Now, From the DOT website....

Major Airlines required to report to the DOT include:

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AirTran Airways (FL)
Alaska Airlines Inc. (AS)
America West Airlines Inc. (HP)
American Airlines Inc. (AA)
American Eagle Airlines Inc. (MQ)
Atlantic Southeast Airlines (EV)
Comair Inc. (OH)
Continental Airlines Inc. (CO)
Delta Airlines Inc. (DL)
Expressjet Airlines Inc. (XE)
Frontier Airlines Inc. (F9)
JetBlue Airways (B6)
Mesa Airlines Inc. (YV)
Northwest Airlines Inc. (NW)
Skywest Airlines Inc. (OO)
Southwest Airlines Co. (WN)
US Airways Inc. (US)
United Airlines Inc. (UA)
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[Lake Alice]

I like my job but we are not a "major". Basicaly we are an oversized regional flying bigger jets.

As for Republic or Jetblue it depends on your QOL. Most of the pay and benefits will be close so it boils down to whether you live in base or care to commute to JFK.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

This spread sheet is too large for this screen, how do you down size it to fit?

http://biz.yahoo.com/p/770conameu.html

 

[CRJ900Pilot]

Funny...Southwest isn't even in that.

 

[RightTraffic]

JetBlue!!!!!!

 

[GuppyPuppy]

Go where you will get 1000 hours turbine PIC the quickest. Most of the guys saying "go to JB" all have 1000 plus turbine PIC and can jump ship if they need to. That box checked will protect you in the future when (not if) you find yourself looking for another airline job.

Not bitter, just trying to give some wise advice from someone who has been there.

Amen.

It will take you a long time to upgrade at JB with all the slowdowns. All A320 captains for the next 10+ years are already on the property. Haven't checked APC.com, but you might be able to make more as a CHQ captain than an E190 captain at JB. My guess is the benefits are better too.

GP

 

[GogglesPisano]

My God how times have changed.

 

[ERJpusher]

As a RAH pilot myself, I can't say how things are at JB. Things at RAH are about to get messy and stay messy for quite sometime. Contract negotiations open in April, and this is going to be a knock-down, drag-out fight with the company. RAH management has taken advantage of every loophole, all vague terminology, and in some cases, flat-out violated the contract to get stuff done. The company's response? "Grieve it." So you grieve it, it goes to arbitration a year later, and you get a check for $50. What did the company lose? Nothing. They knowingly violated YOUR contract and paid no penalty for it.

RAH has seemingly stepped up its rash treatment of the pilot group as of late. Stupid idea. They've basically pissed off the entire workforce on the brink of negotiations. And they will end up paying dearly for it in the end.

If this thing doesn't end up in a strike within 2 years, I will be VERY surprised.

Other than that, not too bad here...

 

[Truckdriver]

Amen.

It will take you a long time to upgrade at JB with all the slowdowns. All A320 captains for the next 10+ years are already on the property. Haven't checked APC.com, but you might be able to make more as a CHQ captain than an E190 captain at JB. My guess is the benefits are better too.

GP

What!!?? Two year upgrades on the 190 (Currently 16-18 months). Upgrades on the 320 are at 3.5 years. They may go to 5 years. 3rd year E190 CA pay is $75/hr and will go up. I don't think you can be making $75/hr at CHQ by year three. 145 CA pay is $74 year 9. 170 CA pay is $73 year 7. 190 CA pay is $74 year 4. First year pay at CHQ is $23/hr vs. JB $48 or $51 depending on aircraft. You would have to be an idiot to go to CHQ over JB.

 

[ERJpusher]

You would have to be an idiot to go to CHQ over JB.

Maybe, but I wouldn't leave CHQ to go to JB.

Pay here isn't terrible. On 4-year pay on the smallest aircraft in our fleet, I made over $70,000 last year (wages only) bidding high lines and never picking up overtime. As a 175 captain, 5-year, $90K is not unreasonable. Even with the pending labor dispute, it's hard to argue the stability of this company. Remember, our contracts are structured so that we will NEVER lose money.

Idiot is kind of harsh, don't you think?

 

[Lake Alice]

All 320 captains have already been hired based on current aircraft orders. Bus captain right now will take atleast 4.5 to 5 years and depending on the base significantly longer to hold a line. 190 captain is not 16-18 months but more like minimum of 2 years. A 3 year 190 captain flying 80 hours will make roughly $79,000 to $81,000 flying 80 hours. 80 hours on the 190 can mean 12, 13 or 14 days off max becuase of the unproductive schedules.

 

[Fins Up]

SO........if you had the choice......YOU would take CHQ over Jet Blue if you had the choice?! - Just want to make sure - Fins it just came off that way and I want to make sure.

Absolutely not.

 

[murano]

All 320 captains have already been hired based on current aircraft orders. Bus captain right now will take atleast 4.5 to 5 years and depending on the base significantly longer to hold a line. 190 captain is not 16-18 months but more like minimum of 2 years. A 3 year 190 captain flying 80 hours will make roughly $79,000 to $81,000 flying 80 hours. 80 hours on the 190 can mean 12, 13 or 14 days off max becuase of the unproductive schedules.

This guy hit the nail on the head. The question to the original poster of this thread is: Are you at CHQ right now and holding an upgrade class? Or are you on the street with an offer at JB and CHQ? If it's the first one, TAKE THE UPGRADE CLASS! PIC Turbine is way more important! If you're on the street right now, take Jetblue. It's a good company to work for, but the pay and health care/retirement suck, but it's still better than unemployment. The upgrade to the E190 will come in about 2+ years. The upgrade to A320 will come when they order more of them, and right now it looks like they are more interested in selling them.... Good luck.

 

[Caveman]

JetBlue has one significant advantage over CHQ or any other regional. All JetBlue flying is done by JetBlue pilots. We don't parcel out the flying to regionals and we aren't subservient to a bigger partner. That means no whipsaw. It's only a matter of time before CHQ (and SKW too for that matter) start to feel the squeeze they helped create. That alone is reason enough to get out of the regional airlines.

The question really is, does the short term gain of staying at CHQ for the upgrade outweigh the mid/long term potential at JetBlue? The overwhelming majority of newhires at JetBlue or any other major accept paycuts to get the job. Why do you think that is? Think beyond next year or even the year after that. Which company has the best long term potential? JetBlue doesn't yet offer a total compensation package that compares with a legacy or SWA. To be blunt, it's sorely lacking. Even at that, the long term potential for QOL and gross earnings is better than CHQ.

There is a case to made for staying at CHQ long enough to get the TPIC. If JetBlue lives long and prospers it won't matter if you don't have the TPIC. OTOH, if you leave CHQ with no TPIC and 2 or 3 years from now JetBlue tanks, you're back to square one. Good luck with that call. That's the kind of decision pro pilots have been dealing with for years. The terminal is littered with folks that made the wrong call.

Good luck.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

What!!?? Two year upgrades on the 190 (Currently 16-18 months). Upgrades on the 320 are at 3.5 years. They may go to 5 years. 3rd year E190 CA pay is $75/hr and will go up. I don't think you can be making $75/hr at CHQ by year three. 145 CA pay is $74 year 9. 170 CA pay is $73 year 7. 190 CA pay is $74 year 4. First year pay at CHQ is $23/hr vs. JB $48 or $51 depending on aircraft. You would have to be an idiot to go to CHQ over JB.

I agree with your current 190 upgrade times, notice I said current. BTW, those are 4-6 months longer than my class expected. I have been here 15 months.

3.5 years on the bus? Show me your math on that one. Looking at my number (again been here 15 months) I am looking at 3.5 years MINIMUM from RIGHT NOW. That's five years. And that says nothing about the fence coming down in the fall. I think you are gravely mistaken, but then we are losing 20 this month (or so I hear). At that rate, 240 a year might net me 320 captain in 3 years total. But looking at the pitiful upgrade schedule for the next few months, I would say that ain't gonna happen. Upgrading 8 or 10 here and there (nothing during the summer months, you can quote me on that one) and you got 60-70 upgrades a year (wait till we sell more airbii this year too). I am telling you dude, that math just doesn't work out.

disclaimer: No it ain't all doom and gloom at jb and no, I wasn't promised a quick upgrade, decent salary, inexpensive healthcare, retirement etc etc.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

JetBlue has one significant advantage over CHQ or any other regional. All JetBlue flying is done by JetBlue pilots. We don't parcel out the flying to regionals and we aren't subservient to a bigger partner. That means no whipsaw. It's only a matter of time before CHQ (and SKW too for that matter) start to feel the squeeze they helped create. That alone is reason enough to get out of the regional airlines.

The question really is, does the short term gain of staying at CHQ for the upgrade outweigh the mid/long term potential at JetBlue? The overwhelming majority of newhires at JetBlue or any other major accept paycuts to get the job. Why do you think that is? Think beyond next year or even the year after that. Which company has the best long term potential? JetBlue doesn't yet offer a total compensation package that compares with a legacy or SWA. To be blunt, it's sorely lacking. Even at that, the long term potential for QOL and gross earnings is better than CHQ.

There is a case to made for staying at CHQ long enough to get the TPIC. If JetBlue lives long and prospers it won't matter if you don't have the TPIC. OTOH, if you leave CHQ with no TPIC and 2 or 3 years from now JetBlue tanks, you're back to square one. Good luck with that call. That's the kind of decision pro pilots have been dealing with for years. The terminal is littered with folks that made the wrong call.

Good luck.

Good post. Even from a Marine...

 

[clickclickboom]

Curious

If you are considering going to a regional as an FO I have to ask what is your Total Time and Turbine Time?

I would say the average JB FO new hire has 5000 tt a couple thousand turbine, a type or two, and more than likely at least 1000 jet or heavy tprop pic. I know there may be exceptions to this.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Curious

If you are considering going to a regional as an FO I have to ask what is your Total Time and Turbine Time?

I would say the average JB FO new hire has 5000 tt a couple thousand turbine, a type or two, and more than likely at least 1000 jet or heavy tprop pic. I know there may be exceptions to this.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. Check the phase two lists for the last 6 months. If that's the case why are we failing dudes outta training?

5000tt? I guess I am the exception, but then I don't consider myself a "new hire". Hell, I only have 3000 or so (yeah, fighter time) but over 2000 of that is PIC. I would say that's an exception too. Most of the career FOs we are getting have far less. I would surmise.

 

[Remington]

good info. thx

 

[LearLove]

JetBlue has one significant advantage over CHQ or any other regional. All JetBlue flying is done by JetBlue pilots. We don't parcel out the flying to regionals and we aren't subservient to a bigger partner. That means no whipsaw. It's only a matter of time before CHQ (and SKW too for that matter) start to feel the squeeze they helped create. That alone is reason enough to get out of the regional airlines.

The question really is, does the short term gain of staying at CHQ for the upgrade outweigh the mid/long term potential at JetBlue? The overwhelming majority of newhires at JetBlue or any other major accept paycuts to get the job. Why do you think that is? Think beyond next year or even the year after that. Which company has the best long term potential? JetBlue doesn't yet offer a total compensation package that compares with a legacy or SWA. To be blunt, it's sorely lacking. Even at that, the long term potential for QOL and gross earnings is better than CHQ.

There is a case to made for staying at CHQ long enough to get the TPIC. If JetBlue lives long and prospers it won't matter if you don't have the TPIC. OTOH, if you leave CHQ with no TPIC and 2 or 3 years from now JetBlue tanks, you're back to square one. Good luck with that call. That's the kind of decision pro pilots have been dealing with for years. The terminal is littered with folks that made the wrong call.

Good luck.

good post, I'd just change the last few words from "wrong call" to "made a desision based on given info however luck wasn't on their side". In the end its just a matter of luck in this bizz.