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OK, So the Captain is incapacitated. The FO calls for pilots in the cabin. The passenger/pilot comes forward and sits in the right seat? How did the FO get over to the left seat? WTF
 
days off..... TSA gonna have a field day with this one
 
SWA/FO said:
days off..... TSA gonna have a field day with this one
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They may be too busy stratching their butts...

From the linked story...
"There's nothing wrong with that," said Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Roland Herwig, who confirmed Brown's role in the emergency landing. "The (acting) captain can take any action for the sake of safety."
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brainhurts said:
OK, So the Captain is incapacitated. The FO calls for pilots in the cabin. The passenger/pilot comes forward and sits in the right seat? How did the FO get over to the left seat? WTF
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Well under the circumstances he was the capt so he felt that he needed to step up and take his new throne:confused: I'm with you on this one WTF...

WD
 
Sounds plausible- don't forget, that FO was actually an OE Captain giving upgrade OE on the airplane.
 
Sounds dumb. I think some of our flight attendants would be more useful than a 150hr PP. Just my opinion.
 
Actually to me Mr. Brown sounds like an intelligent guy with a pretty good grasp on the basics, all things considered. Judging by the quotes of Mr. Brown, I would have rather have had him give me a hand in such a situation than any flight attendant I can think of off hand.
 
Not to mention that the RMU in the 75 does not resemble the RT-360 that is typically installed in a Cessna 150.

The autopilot may have been engaged (ya suppose:rolleyes: ) so that a crew member may change seats in the cockpit.
 
cal73cap said:
As other CAL pilots have stated, the fellow in the right seat is one of our senior 757 Captains, sim. instructor and line check airman. He probably could have done the whole deal by himself.
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I am 100% confident that he would have done just fine by himself. This private pilot even says this. Would I have looked for a private pilot to help? I would be looking for a non-reving airline pilot, and settle for a private pilot that can say "clear right" and "your doing a good job". By reading this article, looks like they got just that. He is not trying to claim any credit, rather says the people helping the dying pilot were the real heros.

Now if it were a Riddle kid (SJS), he would have ran to The Today show telling his story of how he saved the day.
 
brainhurts said:
OK, So the Captain is incapacitated. The FO calls for pilots in the cabin. The passenger/pilot comes forward and sits in the right seat? How did the FO get over to the left seat? WTF
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Um, by standing up, moving over and sitting down again? It probably made taxiing a heck of a lot easier.
 
So, what we've learned is a bad guy can slip the Captain a mickey-finn and wait to get open access to the cockpit.

I'd rather have any company employee than a civilian.
 
Maybe it was Lowecur? He seems to know everything about this industry, even from his desk at the Insurance Agency...


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
it's easy to monday morning quaterback what happened...what if it was you or I? Thinking about it yeah we can do it alone but any help is better than no help so yeah...get a pilot in there even if it is just a private pilot. Reading a checklist does not require anything above a student pilot certificate people.
 
you could also use that same argument to justify putting a FA in the empty seat and not take the security risk (Or at least the perceived security risk TSA might hit this guy with)
 

I sure hope this news story is true.​


The FAA will have to consider the security considerations involved in the age 60 rule letting pax flying commerical airliners.​


A terrorist potentially could poison a pilot before hand hoping for a cockpit door to be opened during the confusion.​


If this story is true, age 60 just got another pro SECURITY argument.​


Age 60 must stand.​

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Ok, Monday morning quarterbacking: I SO wouldn't have made a P.A. asking if there are any pilots on board. That's right out of "Airplane". If there was a jumpseater, hell yeah, call him up from the back, but a 150 hour wonder? Not.
 

I did not arm chair quarterback comment on the Continental flight. I simply stated the possibility of using this in the future as a breach of the flight deck is a very real possibility. A pilot expiring in flight is a security issue. Every attempt must be made to save the pilots life with the on-board equipment. The cockpit door must be opened to do it.​


Security is even more important than safety in a post 911 world. And the security implications of the cockpit door being opened more frequently as a ressult of age 60 being changed to age 65 is a valid issue.​

radarlove said:
Ok, Monday morning quarterbacking: I SO wouldn't have made a P.A. asking if there are any pilots on board. That's right out of "Airplane". If there was a jumpseater, hell yeah, call him up from the back, but a 150 hour wonder? Not.
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good CRM. Thats all it was.
 
luckytohaveajob said:
I sure hope this news story is true.​
The FAA will have to consider the security considerations involved in the age 60 rule letting pax flying commerical airliners.​
A terrorist potentially could poison a pilot before hand hoping for a cockpit door to be opened during the confusion.​
If this story is true, age 60 just got another pro SECURITY argument.​
Age 60 must stand.​
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You've got it exactly right. Because as we all know, pilots under 60 are immune to poison but at your 60th birthday the super powers wear off. :rolleyes:

No, I get what you're saying but the "fix" is to prohibit anyone from the cabin occupying the cockpit even in an emergency. I hope that won't be necessary.
 

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