How to help Comair?

[CopilotDoug]

Prader would have the Comair guys walk off the line and tell management to "just grieve it". Why? Cause we can afford it. Would we lose the lawsuit? Sure. But the point would be proven. The man has said this....and to my face. And if management thinks they can get away with this without any consequences, will be sadly mistaken.

ALPA is in a GREAT financial situation. In fact, better than it has been since the mid 80's. Our union could easily afford to support the Comair pilots if they choose to walk off the line in a few days. I just hope our ALPA leadership supports this action.

Mesa Captain

Fly2002,

It sounds like you're truly gung-ho for ALPA, and ALPA needs more people like you. I'm curious as to what excuse you think ALPA will use in response to the Bankruptcy Judge blocking a strike? I highlighted an important point you made for me; that ALPA relies on blind hope from the pilot groups. The days of the unions are over, they served their purpose, but management has adapted to their tactics and beaten them. Go ahead and buy into all the feel good rhetoric. As long as you're doing that, I got some nice beach front property in Nebraska I'd like to sell you.

 

[Sucka]

737

Hey 737, please scan a copy of your voided check and post it here. The CMR pilot group would like some proof that you DAL Widgets were willing to support us during our strike. As an added benefit, we will find your address and black jack your pretentious ass. "Wannabe DAL pilots?" I would rather lick Grinstein's balloon knot than wear your double breasted uniform. Go back to your own threads and let us fight this without you f's again!

 

[Dave Grohl]

Better than from a "wanna be" Delta pilot!



If the shoe fits! How goes those 700 rates troll? :laugh:
737

Oh yes, I wanna be a real Delta pilot...is it just my imagination, or is there a larger population of a**holes at Delta than at any other legacy airline?

 

[ohplease!]

Oh yes, I wanna be a real Delta pilot...is it just my imagination, or is there a larger population of a**holes at Delta than at any other legacy airline?

its always been that way....wouldn't it be ironic if DL were to NOT make it as one of the legacy airlines left standing at the end of all this?

 

[Palerider957]

The DL boys are about to be stapled to the bottom of US Air's list.....737, I woudn't stand on the board and crow to loudly about 700 rates, you might be flying one in the right seat before long.

 

[737 Pylt]

Oh yes, I wanna be a real Delta pilot...is it just my imagination, or is there a larger population of a**holes at Delta than at any other legacy airline?

Your imagination! We just don't like little pricks like you Dave. You find glory in other peoples' demise! Airlineapps is accepting online resumes right now. PM me and let me know your name and app. # so I can be sure and help you out in the interview process!

its always been that way....wouldn't it be ironic if DL were to NOT make it as one of the legacy airlines left standing at the end of all this?

Alan:
You better hope DL doesn't go under, because after ASA, you will be screwed trying to get another job as a "wanna be manager." Of course there's always Chick fil a!

The DL boys are about to be stapled to the bottom of US Air's list.....737, I woudn't stand on the board and crow to loudly about 700 rates, you might be flying one in the right seat before long.

And who says a 2 year community college degree can't get you far.....Just goes to show your ignorance in life and how the "ALPA merger policy" works (if this deal even goes through).Work on your coffee serving skills and who gets the turkey for catering!

737

 

[fly2002]

Fly2002,

It sounds like you're truly gung-ho for ALPA, and ALPA needs more people like you. I'm curious as to what excuse you think ALPA will use in response to the Bankruptcy Judge blocking a strike? I highlighted an important point you made for me; that ALPA relies on blind hope from the pilot groups. The days of the unions are over, they served their purpose, but management has adapted to their tactics and beaten them. Go ahead and buy into all the feel good rhetoric. As long as you're doing that, I got some nice beach front property in Nebraska I'd like to sell you.

CopilotDoug,
I'm a BOD member for ALPA and not a spokesman. With that said I don't see ALPA coming up with an excuse for a judges decision. They can't control a rouge judge that decides to legislate from the bench. The truth is that most factors have now become favorable to pilots. The airline industry is recovering. The democrats have taken control of congress. They are likely to even win the presidency. This would offset the last 8 years of republican control. The pendilum will swing the other way. ALPA lobbies with the money you give them. I personally contribute every paycheck.

I never understood the role that politics plays in our careers until I became a volunteer and saw for myself. Many ask "why haven't we changed the RLA?" "we should reduce the max duty day!". All of those ideas are great but opening that box with the current political leaders in power would have us find an unfavorable outcome. Read 20 hour max duty days, or 10hrs per day flying instead of 8. And yes this would happen.

ALPA is far from perfect because it's run by humans....pretty simple. Management has not "adapted" or beaten the pilots. They have simply had all the leverage the past few years. Most, if not all, of the leverage is now in our court.

I personally predict a resurgence of unions in the next 8 years. Within that time you will see the loopholes management used during bankrupcy closed as well.

The coming presidential election will shape A LOT of our course, and our careers.

Sorry for the spelling and grammer, I'm lazy tonight.
MESA Captain

 

[goodpilotithink]

How about the same support they offered to the DAL furloughees!

737

Good idea. We were 100% in favor of them getting pref. interviews. ..Oh wait, yoyu guys just wanted to walk in and have a job.
I wonder how many Comair Pilts were allowed to just walk in at Delta when we were on strike?? Oh , what? None? Thats what I thought...........
Let it go loser.

 

[goodpilotithink]

So which is it?

If picking up open time has no effect on recalls, why go out of your way to claim you have never greenslipped while Delta has guys on the street?

You keep reminding us that we're separate companies. Fine. Did Delta pilots demand Alaska, Spirit, or Midwest Express hire their furloughees without having to resign their number? No?

I've got an idea. Give it a rest. You're in way over your head. The Delta pilots do not have the moral high ground to lecture Comair pilots on their obligation to your furloughees.

DITTO!! These guys eat their youg and scream at us to hide it.

 

[AvJunke]

I'll spell it out.....I HAVEN'T picked up open time in 10 years! If you can't understand that, then you're beyond comprehension!


Matter of fact, there are quite a number of furloughees working at other ALPA carriers who weren't required to resign their seniority #'s. Keep working on the spin, your theories are getting weaker and you're making it way too easy! Perhaps that's why your pathetic lawsuit is doing so poorly!


No, they did their own furloughees too! Just wondering if the cmr pilots paid for their furloughees cobra benefits?
If I were you, I'd focus on the dismantling of your company, rather than aiming all of your rjdc BS the way of DALPA! The cmr pilot group has been great at screwing over fellow ALPA pilots, just ask the ASA pilots!

You guys are the ones in way over your head!

737

Jesus guy, go find a female.

 

[acarpe3448]

How many green slips got picked up by Delta pilots while furloughees were
on the street?

Way to many! This does not change the fact that this pilot group is a bunch of prick$. Lets think about their character, they take pay freezes to buy jets and flying from another airline! They give no help at all to Delta furloughs, unless you consider wanting them to resign senority in order to go to the bottom of their list! They fight all they can to take as many jets with as many seats as possible (ensuring furloughs stay out longer). They file a billion dollar lawsuit against the union and DALPA to try to destroy our scope language(so they can get bigger planes, more planes at the expense of Delta pilots). They call every other pilot group whores! Comair pilots slam furloughed Delta pilots over and over, saying they new what they were getting into when they picked this profession!

This pilot group is looking out for themselves and no one else! Comair pilots are a bunch of A$$ Holes bitching about taking their turn at the SHI$ Sandwich! Fu$$ Them! I say let em lose their jobs! Let them hit the streets and start looking for a new profession! Comair pilots will get just as much support as they gave our pilot group! NADA! This is justice baby! This is the way the economy works, let the weak die! I am laughing my A$$ off watching these clowns go down in flames because of their poor decesions! In the end you can be assured they will call it all your fault! After all, every other pilot group are whores!

 

[acarpe3448]

To all the intelligent posters, I enjoy reading your opinions. To all of the Delta/Comair/ASA guys I fully support you. But those of you sniping at each other....please...STFU. Management loves this and although the temptation is always there to bash, be professional and refrain. Every airline on this board could be bashed for one reason or another but lets stand together d@mn it.


Nice try! But this message board has never been about being professional! It's all childish bickering! "Guilty as charged"!

 

[~~~^~~~]

And who says a 2 year community college degree can't get you far.....Just goes to show your ignorance in life and how the "ALPA merger policy" works (if this deal even goes through).Work on your coffee serving skills and who gets the turkey for catering!

737

I hope the US Air thing does not happen... but would it not be ironic if the same merger and fragmentation policy that the Delta pilots subverted in 99 and 2000 turned out to be the perfect excuse to not merge the Delta pilots? After all, where is the definition of "operational integration?"

Acarpe and 737Pylt, why do you slam the Comair guys in their darkest hour? You should want them to earn sufficient compensation and quality of life that management is compelled to transfer your flying back to you.

It is truly a shame that you sold your flying out to the lowest bidder because your MEC took a "bargaining credit" for it. I don't think you have a right to be angry about it. Your MEC negotiated the deal and your pilot group ratified it.

Now that it is all about economics, you should want the numbers to favor you - meaning you should support the Comair pilots in their war to hold up the profession.

 

[FDJ2]

I hope the US Air thing does not happen... but would it not be ironic if the same merger and fragmentation policy that the Delta pilots subverted in 99 and 2000 turned out to be the perfect excuse to not merge the Delta pilots? After all, where is the definition of "operational integration?"

For the purposes of requiring an integrated seniority list in the event of a merger or fragmentation, the language is in the respective PWAs.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Oh, when 737Pylt wrote "ALPA Merger Policy," I got confused and thought we meant "ALPA Merger Policy."

I just hope it does not happen. It would not be good for anyone except for a couple of managers that are already loaded from their previous pillages at the expense of investors and employees.

 

[737 Pylt]

Good idea. We were 100% in favor of them getting pref. interviews. ..Oh wait, yoyu guys just wanted to walk in and have a job.

Sure you were, that's why it was spoken up so much!!!

I wonder how many Comair Pilts were allowed to just walk in at Delta when we were on strike?? Oh , what? None? Thats what I thought...........
Let it go loser.

The same amount that will be allowed to walk in now that we are hiring again!

737

Acarpe and 737Pylt, why do you slam the Comair guys in their darkest hour? You should want them to earn sufficient compensation and quality of life that management is compelled to transfer your flying back to you.

I give them the same support they gave to our furloughees in their darkest hour!

It is truly a shame that you sold your flying out to the lowest bidder because your MEC took a "bargaining credit" for it. I don't think you have a right to be angry about it. Your MEC negotiated the deal and your pilot group ratified it.

Did you borrow your spin machine from N2264J? We didn't sell out our flying to the lowest bidder, DL managment did! Matter of fact are you, of all people forgetting that the last LOA had a min amount of flying to be performed by the wholly owned carriers? How quickly you forget!

Now that it is all about economics, you should want the numbers to favor you - meaning you should support the Comair pilots in their war to hold up the profession.

Matter of fact I do. The more expensive DCI becomes, the more managment will want to shift flying back to mainline where it belongs. OF course by their words, no matter what the pay is, DCI will always be cheaper, if you can believe anything that comes out of their mouths!

737

 

[CopilotDoug]

Nice try! But this message board has never been about being professional! It's all childish bickering!

Is there anything else to being a pilot?