Massive furloughs at Tradewinds

[CSY Mon]

38 or 40 guys have gotten their walking papers.

Merry Christmas.

 

[LAZYB]

Wow.

So how you doing CSY?

Is this a rather large bump in the road, or...

Just waiting on Indoc Jan 9th, grnd Jan 29th.

Meanwhile, studying liquor ads, practicing controlled consumption, and contemplating an attempt at obtaining guitar wisdom and some "nominal" ability... Didn't work 30 yrs ago, maybe this time.

 

[Thedude]

We knew the Airbus furloughs were comming since a few of them are being parked and possibly sold, so no surprise there.

As far as the 747 goes, we hear that the furlough should be short term...maybe as much as 90 days. We supposedly have a new contatct starting in March as hopefully recapturing another contract.

Supposedly a few select guys from the airbus are going to be allowed to trainstion over to the 747.

Hopefully no more off the street Capts either.

 

[CSY Mon]

So how you doing CSY?

Still here, no changes....

How is the Lear gig?

Is this a rather large bump in the road, or...

Well, a medium bump. Lost a contract, some jets in for check, uh, no changes...

As far as the 747 goes, we hear that the furlough should be short term...

Short term planned, but most guys will go to better pastures so hireing may be-a-coming up in March or so.

Supposedly a few select guys from the airbus are going to be allowed to trainstion over to the 747.

Yeah, but no 747 guys needed right now.

Hopefully no more off the street Capts either.

Well, that depends on the experience and quality of the F/Os on the property.
The compnay, and the check-airmen would like to see internal upgrades, but we have quite a few ding-dongs in the right seat that are not up-gradeable.
The few that are material may not have the time to satisfy the Fed.
Some of those with plenty of time are life-time F/O/s.

 

[MCDU]

Is that Embry Riddle chick still there?

Marty

 

[B747FR8DAWG]

Hey CSY,

How many 747's is Tradewinds operating these days? I heard that you guys picked up one of our old GE classics. Did they park all the Airbus aircraft also?

 

[CSY Mon]

Is that Embry Riddle chick still there?

We got a chick on the bus, not sure where she went to school.

How many 747's is Tradewinds operating these days? I heard that you guys picked up one of our old GE classics. Did they park all the Airbus aircraft also?

Well, we are operating 3 whales, but 2 are in for mx-check right now.

Yeah, we got an ex-Atlas classic last year, nice plane.
Don't think they parked all the bus birds, some are flying.

 

[JECKEL]

MCDU,

Now you jusy leave her alone. She's had a special dream and has just worked harder than you and me and the rest of us to achieve it.

 

[MCDU]

I read about her in some magazine. She was a A300 Capt and she just got to 3000hrs. Not bad. She is prob. at FED EX or UPS.

 

[capt. megadeth]

I read about her in some magazine. She was a A300 Capt and she just got to 3000hrs. Not bad. She is prob. at FED EX or UPS.

You've got serious issues. Don't you have a job? Why are you worried about it?

 

[Draginass]

We knew the Airbus furloughs were comming since a few of them are being parked and possibly sold, so no surprise there.

As far as the 747 goes, we hear that the furlough should be short term...maybe as much as 90 days. We supposedly have a new contatct starting in March as hopefully recapturing another contract.

Supposedly a few select guys from the airbus are going to be allowed to trainstion over to the 747.

Hopefully no more off the street Capts either.

A lot longer than 90 days, I'm thinkin'.

 

[federico]

Mr CSY and Theodude. Talking nonsense again. Both of you should even be on the property since they furloughed out of seniority. And as for Ding dong FO how about ding dong Capt who kissed up for an upgrade and cant go anywhere else because of their shady past. Most captain have been fired from someplace else.

 

[Thedude]

Freddie, are you trying to pick a fight again. The last furlough on the 747 was out of senority but I didn't see and Airbus guys go anywhere. Hmm. Are you upset because you are having trouble converting your FAA tickets to another country and getting the run-around.

Once again, I will tell you what I was told when I came here. The 2 fleets are pretty much going to be operated seperalty and only a select few guys from the airbus are coming over. Well, I was already employed by another carrier and I was assured the the transintion guys were about done. So I jumped ship and came over.
I am assuming it will proabaly be the same way when we get 777 or 767 or intergalactic space ships.

If they had furloughed in senority, the 747 fleet would have been decimated and 3/4 of the guys would be gone and I bet most would not come back. Think of all the training cost, it would be astronomical and the 747 would move for at least 3-4 months not to mention the problem of not having ANY check airmen.

If you want a real senority list, then spearhead a union. Until then the senority list is at the mercy of managment. I have worked at a company that began removing a fleet from service, even though I was the #2 Capt in the airplane and fairly senoir overall. I still got the axe even though I was senority to all of the F/Os and some of the capt in the other airframe. So I have been there before. Dont look for any sympathy here.

With a new chief pilot and new management I would expect to see some changes in the next 3-6 months. As you proablby alrady know, TDX is looking to get out of the A-300. So, would expect to see even more furloughs on that side until more airplanes are added. Not to mention the fact that there will probably be 3-5 747 capt leaving by the end of the year if not sooner.

As far as most of the capts having a shady past. It might be that way on the Airbus but most of the 747 guys are furloughed from somewhere and are just waiting to get the callback. Believe it or not most of the 747 crews don't have a shady past and are waiting for things to open back up to get a good job.

Just remember, this ain't frikin' Delta...what happens happens. We ain't a real airline.

 

[federico]

1. I have already converted and currently flying for a JAA carrier, took a LOA since I saw the writing on the wall.
2. Nothing will change till our CEO decides to retire and takes his useless management team with him. New Director of Ops, New Chief Pilot same xmas furloughs. What will GE do with the certificate is a good question.

 

[CSY Mon]

Mr CSY and Theodude. Talking nonsense again. Both of you should even be on the property since they furloughed out of seniority.

Nonsense?
Read yer sentence again.

Most captain have been fired from someplace else.

Pretty tall statement, got any facts to back it up?

 

[Draginass]

Right off the top of my head, of the Captains hired direct to the 747 there are 5 ex/retired USAF/USN pilots, 4 American Airlines furloughees (all from the 757/767), a retired Delta captain, 2 ex-Tower Air captains, and an ex-Chilean USAF/Lan Chile captain. Nobody got fired from anywhere.

Don't know about the Airbus transition guys or the direct new hires from this fall.

 

[federico]

1.Fired from Fedex, Fired from cathay pacific ,fired from jetblue and air jamaica. JUST TO NAME A FEW

 

[Draginass]

Must be on the other fleet.

 

[80for80]

Are you guys still flying N524UP? What a complete and total POS that plane was. I was so glad to see it go. UPS spent $MILLIONS getting that thing somewhat up to our standards. That what happens to an airplane that spends any time in the service of Tower Air.

 

[Thedude]

Are you guys still flying N524UP? What a complete and total POS that plane was. I was so glad to see it go. UPS spent $MILLIONS getting that thing somewhat up to our standards. That what happens to an airplane that spends any time in the service of Tower Air.

Ok there flamebaiter/ aka GuppyKiller/Thegout/and a few other names. You been out searching the aircraft leases again? I am surprised you didn't list a few other places that airframe has been. Yes, we got rid of 524 last summer.

We know you do not work for UPS, Tower or AA. You might want to consider dropping the screen name 80for80. I know a few AA capts that would kick your butt just for mentioning that and rightfully so

 

[727C47]

whats up j-man?

 

[CSY Mon]

That what happens to an airplane that spends any time in the service of Tower Air.

Huh, did Tower Air use 524..?

News to me, but maybe so.
What was the FF tailnumber back then?

 

[80for80]

Ok there flamebaiter/ aka GuppyKiller/Thegout/and a few other names. You been out searching the aircraft leases again? I am surprised you didn't list a few other places that airframe has been. Yes, we got rid of 524 last summer.

We know you do not work for UPS, Tower or AA. You might want to consider dropping the screen name 80for80. I know a few AA capts that would kick your butt just for mentioning that and rightfully so

Hate to break it to you, but I used to fly 524. It is an oddball -200. We jokingly referred to it as a -150. It had J series JT9 engines. Totally different weights than the rest of our -200s.

 

[federico]

I SORRY TO INFORM YOU GUYS THE GUYS FIRED FROM FEDEX CATHAY JETBLUE AIRJAMAICA ARE ON THE 747 SIDE. CHECK WITH HUMAN RESOURCES. pLUS ON THE AIRBUS SIDE WE LOST ONE OUT OF TWO CONTRACTS NOT 4 OUT 5 AND THE ONE LEFT IS BORDERLINE.

 

[CSY Mon]

We jokingly referred to it as a -150. It had J series JT9 engines. Totally different weights than the rest of our -200s.

Yup, we had a -150 over at Tower Air...613, or 615 was it?
Same bird..(Turd) ?

I SORRY TO INFORM YOU GUYS THE GUYS FIRED FROM FEDEX CATHAY JETBLUE AIRJAMAICA ARE ON THE 747 SIDE. CHECK WITH HUMAN RESOURCES. pLUS ON THE AIRBUS SIDE WE LOST ONE OUT OF TWO CONTRACTS NOT 4 OUT 5 AND THE ONE LEFT IS BORDERLINE.

We had an Air Jamaica guy on the 747 fleet for a while.
He came from the Airbus side after having flown capt there a few years.
I tried to train him, but refused to sign him off.
After 100 hours IOE he got signed off as an F/O, barely.
He got fired 6 months ago anyway.

Not sure he represents the direct hire capts on the 747 fleet?

Don't know the ex- FedEx, JetBlue or Cathay guy ya are talking about:
They got fired from their previous company, then came here as a direct entry captain on the B-747?

Don't think so....

 

[federico]

Mr Csy Yes they did. And as for blaming transition guys for Tradewinds 747 bleeps and blunders asa far as I know the Pic on the Mde accident wasnt a transition boy, even worse he was a in house upgrade. Did you refuse to sign him off also. If Tradewinds would have used transition guys initially they wouldnt be the MIGHTY DUCKS of the 121 supplemental 747 operators.

 

[CSY Mon]

If Tradewinds would have used transition guys initially they wouldnt be the MIGHTY DUCKS of the 121 supplemental 747 operators.

They should have asked you when they introduced the 747 fleet, and all problems would have been avoided.?

 

[federico]

The truth hurts.

 

[Thedude]

Hey Freddie,
I just talked to a little birdie to today and the 747 training program is about to open up for a select few. Some will be allowed to make the transition to the A-300 to the F/O seat in the 747, provided they meet certain criteria. The letter should be going out shortly. But here is the best part. You proabaly still don't qualify as the mins are quite high....hahahaha.

 

[Thedude]

Hate to break it to you, but I used to fly 524.

What, as a loadmaster??!!


Move along there flame-troll.